Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=python.org; s=200901; t=1400241062; bh=Hs1zDoFx4rYK575hkQtIUdAAtheFxzn+41+IBVm2WaE=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:References:From; b=bbThmp7Lfm7Q7XXn2IAg/o4ue1o0fOdPSiW2NZXod2unJe4xFkY2at3M6tiYO1vt1 59MMbnX4pMDSkiUIdNOT6jImDvv7RWw0JQZjfJ+2Oj4cETqXGcxfnirKJSMCfxWbHH 3DQYBKOmikzGuUZZvZ1Gwn1Xo3cN5ZoLLYh+nalQ= X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'talks': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'armin': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'posted': 0.15; 'binary.': 0.16; 'from:name:antoine pitrou': 0.16; 'message-id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'ought': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240.54': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:charlus.yi.org': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:yi.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'stdout': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'surprises': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'simpler': 0.24; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'url:bugs': 0.29; 'sets': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'this.': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'somebody': 0.38; 'url:library': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'antoine.': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'streams': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'subject:want': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Antoine Pitrou Subject: Re: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3 Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 11:50:47 +0000 (UTC) References: <8P7cv.78617$Sp6.8377@fx15.am4> <537172eb$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5372b493$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5372BE8B.3070302@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 213.41.240.54 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400241064 news.xs4all.nl 2905 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59277 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71658 Terry Reedy udel.edu> writes: > > On 5/13/2014 8:53 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 05/13/2014 05:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 May 2014 10:08:42 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> > >>> Because Python 3 presents stdin and stdout as text streams however, it > >>> makes them more difficult to use with binary data, which is why Armin > >>> sets up all that extra code to make sure his file objects are binary. > >> > >> What surprises me is how hard that is. Surely there's a simpler way to > >> open stdin and stdout in binary mode? If not, there ought to be. > > > > Somebody already posted this: > > > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.stdin > > > > which talks about .detach(). > > I sent a message to Armin about this. And the documentation has now been fixed: http://bugs.python.org/issue21364 So something *can* come out of a python-list rantfest, it seems. Regards Antoine.