Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; '*not*': 0.07; 'reason,': 0.07; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; "people's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'finney': 0.16; 'limit,': 0.16; 're-read': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'driven': 0.24; 'subject: : ': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'leave': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'limitation': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'thank': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'advances': 0.60; 'length': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'kind': 0.63; 'between': 0.67; 'population': 0.68; 'limit': 0.70; 'limits,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'increases': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length : Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:12:30 +1000 References: <5373f400$0$24922$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> <600f69c8-541f-4fae-a3db-4da33b776046@googlegroups.com> <8f793d18-1160-401e-b56b-f467122565fc@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zNycL8DweWdixzAIV95Kzbc9uJY= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400220766 news.xs4all.nl 2964 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71641 Rustom Mody writes: > You said this: > > > The 80 character line limit is *not* driven by a limitation of > > computer technology; it is driven by a limitation of human > > cognition. For that reason, it remains relevant until human > > cognition in the general reading population improves. > > And you answered: > > > Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical > > curiosities...?? > > with > > > Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make > > longer lines easier to read. Indeed. Once again: Human cognition has limits, including limits on reading speed and reading comprehension as the length of a line of text increases beyond a threshold. You have caricatured that as some kind of statement that every human has a fundamental 79-column limit, which no-one has claimed. If you can't see the difference between what I and others have been saying about limits on human cognition, versus your caricature, then I can only leave you to re-read until you do understand. And I'll thank you not to straw-man people's positions. -- \ “Dyslexia means never having to say that you're ysror.” | `\ —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney