Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'url:sourceforge': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'example).': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "haven't": 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'subject: : ': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'moved': 0.30; 'about.': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'done.': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'behind': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'flat': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'ago,': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'protection': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'media': 0.66; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'overcome': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'computers.': 0.84; 'failures.': 0.84; 'silver': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length : Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:18:31 +0100 References: <5373f400$0$24922$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> <600f69c8-541f-4fae-a3db-4da33b776046@googlegroups.com> <87a9ajb36d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <78ac407a-c429-4a7a-93c9-5d83e0f09cbb@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-28-1.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140515-0, 15/05/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400170732 news.xs4all.nl 2914 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71620 On 15/05/2014 14:58, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <78ac407a-c429-4a7a-93c9-5d83e0f09cbb@googlegroups.com>, > Rustom Mody wrote: > >> And yet programmers continue to be decades behind all other users of >> computers. We continue to use flat text for our programs when all others >> have moved on. > > It's not like we haven't tried. There have been a few attempts at using > richer media to program (graphical UML editors, for example). They've > all pretty much been failures. > This http://sourceforge.net/projects/doublesvsoop/ was project of the month just a little while ago, so it's obviously overcome all of the known obstacles, in exactly the same way that all previous silver bullets have done. At least I think it's the kind of thing that you're talking about. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com