Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'strict': 0.07; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'messing': 0.09; 'non-text': 0.09; 'pixel': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'builder.': 0.16; 'drag': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sizes,': 0.16; 'tables,': 0.16; 'attach': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(not': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'typing': 0.19; 'example': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'rules': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'helpful': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '15,': 0.26; 'mention': 0.26; 'push': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'subject: : ': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'quickly': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; 'font': 0.31; "user's": 0.31; 'entirely': 0.33; 'screen': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'etc': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'hi,': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'window': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'warm': 0.60; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'places': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'biggest': 0.67; 'nobody': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'layout.': 0.84; 'messed': 0.84; 'boxes': 0.91; 'boxes,': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=X2kuUJunrJezXnYsSSvXAccstRsMx4lnOEf7kBdrvqU=; b=oiIxMDg5M3V61FU+uG/xIycneHnfATDhop6HMI3qhpvaCS2wpv9qqavgfEbh9awnWz +NBJ/T07lF07sMW+zFCoPpoSqjIjIpfb9Y5jNdP4JwmNfPK45mJ8zeAW0UIdOE+cxG61 G7e9IdqaHK6SxXl34AihaW2vcyaEvOoghjZ5dE4FYuKNwr/zSasC5GxwEHujJRJhhEVf drpWdCMHGVPD8WJOtzxHampsDqG5DoW2GRXRVjkKk1OrnZnnY2FGSjUvTy+YB8unf5/V 4ZF+Sa2J5EBOUb0afnbMRh6cNBlhj455AHrD2G/vGy4V3TQMmRI+9Bp4iwyWpaPtPY9a zumw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.93.201 with SMTP id cw9mr298497vdb.80.1400163255217; Thu, 15 May 2014 07:14:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5373f400$0$24922$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> <600f69c8-541f-4fae-a3db-4da33b776046@googlegroups.com> <87a9ajb36d.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <78ac407a-c429-4a7a-93c9-5d83e0f09cbb@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 00:14:15 +1000 Subject: Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length : From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400163262 news.xs4all.nl 2889 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37382 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71608 On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > There *are* some places where non-text programming has won. The biggest > example would be GUI builders. Nobody programs screen and window > layouts by typing textual descriptions. They push boxes around in a GUI > builder. Hi, I'm Nobody, and I like warm hugs! My GUI building is entirely by typing textual descriptions. Yes, there are some good builders, but I do my layouts on a basis of rules rather than strict pixel positions. Rules and bag-based layouts mean there's no problem with something getting too big and messing up your layout. Is it really helpful to drag objects into a nearly-invisible "Vertical Box" container? Pushing boxes around is great when you attach everything directly to the window, but that gets messed up pretty quickly by a user's themes, font sizes, etc (not to mention a change of platform). Explicitly putting things into their boxes, grids, tables, etc means it's always right. ChrisA