Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'talks': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'armin': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'posted': 0.15; 'binary.': 0.16; 'ought': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'stdout': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'surprises': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'simpler': 0.24; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'sets': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'this.': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'objects': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'somebody': 0.38; 'url:library': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'received:71': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'streams': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'subject:want': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3 Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 17:47:06 -0400 References: <8P7cv.78617$Sp6.8377@fx15.am4> <537172eb$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5372b493$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5372BE8B.3070302@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-175-90-87.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <5372BE8B.3070302@stoneleaf.us> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1400104047 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:32891 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71579 On 5/13/2014 8:53 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 05/13/2014 05:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Tue, 13 May 2014 10:08:42 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >>> Because Python 3 presents stdin and stdout as text streams however, it >>> makes them more difficult to use with binary data, which is why Armin >>> sets up all that extra code to make sure his file objects are binary. >> >> What surprises me is how hard that is. Surely there's a simpler way to >> open stdin and stdout in binary mode? If not, there ought to be. > > Somebody already posted this: > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.stdin > > which talks about .detach(). I sent a message to Armin about this. -- Terry Jan Reedy