Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'tries': 0.05; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'editor.': 0.09; 'least)': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; '(at': 0.13; '(more': 0.16; '(when': 0.16; 'ancillary': 0.16; 'autoconf': 0.16; 'fancy': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'text?': 0.16; 'unicode?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'app': 0.16; 'all,': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'work,': 0.21; 'text,': 0.22; 'plain': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'switch': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'disk': 0.27; 'large.': 0.29; "i'd": 0.31; 'maybe': 0.33; 'ram': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'today?': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'why': 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'programs': 0.62; 'matter': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'course.': 0.67; 'stand': 0.67; '26,': 0.72; 'jul': 0.72; 'you:': 0.79; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'everything,': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.88; 'to:none': 0.91; 'dozen': 0.91; 'megabytes': 0.91; 'subject:Gmail': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4oOM1KBQpeD8sG3PriyAB5WDmsDJyLJcLcuJkca9LIU=; b=BxEq1y2DpGs5UXKg/hqowrHPatiMa+HUZYz31Vnt3iuTMid1u9NpjDD3kbNQRiPOQX bOue5NCuUjF3+8IavjHOosM3s2cPoHDg65JGM93yz3giB4vXEqSv+P7PUnbUeMUDq+zr bNMQRfuS63bI2qfuvy59huB5P+ku/E+mZxXhKDQ4u/MFRMxAw1voWyh8B+BB0CHCGgDK PPGUqWXGGJPyv1TwCCJqp5STCNOXMfn4dtBUd9Be8GIR4QLqdlfR67F5eLKEVXHuRtzF 0jtVQucAWsflY5hSEjbWh1qckOzsfvh0X8raErDB5o+eyRu+eG6dasCAGWUDnSbRsxp0 9mIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.4.1 with SMTP id 1mr32222278ioe.10.1437891920400; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 23:25:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <327a9975-b079-4d44-998d-0d1168ba7a59@googlegroups.com> References: <201507251634.t6PGYUvo028820@fido.openend.se> <87d1zgyqgb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <228d9572-6cff-4f89-bd68-e31ecbb8e46a@googlegroups.com> <327a9975-b079-4d44-998d-0d1168ba7a59@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:25:20 +1000 Subject: Re: Gmail eats Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437891928 news.xs4all.nl 2866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60311 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 4882 X-Received-Body-CRC: 554685735 Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.stben.net!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94599 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Well Almost. > Emacs used to stand for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" > At a time when 8 MB was large. Is it today? > So let me ask you: > Do you not use =C2=BD dozen (at least) languages? > And their interpreters (when they exist) > And their ancilliary tools (make autoconf etc) > And do you not type plain text? > Emails? > PIM (reminders, timesheets and planning) > Docs (more fancy than plain text, maybe libreoffice/MS/latex...) > Lilypond? > Use, experiment, play-around with (non-ASCII) unicode? > > If you have one app to do them all, I'd like (and pay!) for it > If not I bet they are mutually inconsistent. > For the most part, I use a single text editor. But all their ancillary tools are separate. Emacs tries to be absolutely everything, not just editing text files; that's why it's big. Size isn't just a matter of disk or RAM footprint, it's also (and much more importantly) UI complexity. It's a trade-off, of course. If you constantly have to switch programs to do your work, that's a different form of UI complexity. ChrisA