Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subsequent': 0.05; '21,': 0.07; 'plans,': 0.07; 'latter': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rejected': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'suggest': 0.14; 'docs.': 0.16; 'minus': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'rewriting': 0.16; 'subject:PEPs': 0.16; 'subject:download': 0.16; 'subject:included': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; '(in': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'manual': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'initial': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'patch': 0.29; 'thus': 0.29; 'heading': 0.30; 'originally': 0.30; 'included': 0.31; 'page.': 0.31; 'alone': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'reflect': 0.36; 'subject:skip:d 10': 0.36; 'material': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'details.': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'details': 0.65; 'gotten': 0.74; 'end-user': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'crucial': 0.91; 'download.': 0.91; 'chapters': 0.93; 'candidate,': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: PEPs should be included with the documentation download Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 16:15:17 -0400 References: <4bc4d258-1e12-4e1a-af9c-0019f099612f@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1377116133 news.xs4all.nl 15897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60016 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:52790 On 8/21/2013 1:32 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Aseem Bansal wrote: >> Currently the documentation download includes a lot of things but PEPs are not its part. I wanted to suggest that PEPs should be included in the download. They are very much relevant to Python. > > The PEPs are kinda like the specs that Python is built from, rather > than being end-user documentation; certainly most, if not all, are > unnecessary to most use of Python. There's really no point downloading > a whole pile of rejected PEPs as part of the crucial user-facing docs. The manuals are intended to document current reality. Accepted PEPs document plans, often minus details. They do not get updated to reflect the initial implementation, let alone subsequent changes. Thus even There are a few chapters in the manual that reference a PEP, either because the details are though to be too esoteric for the manual or becuase no one has yet gotten around to rewriting the material for the manual. (In the latter case, a patch should be welcome.) So there might be a reason to include a '(Highly) Selected PEPs' heading to the main page. PEP 8 might be a candidate, though it was originally intended as an internal style guide for the stdlib only. -- Terry Jan Reedy