Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Guido on python3 for beginners Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:51:54 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <48762040-a7e0-434c-92e8-8a0969210e5b@googlegroups.com> <5d31dd14-1a60-4f80-8889-d0616f404c70@googlegroups.com> <4e902c58-3370-4adf-905d-74630a6eea90@googlegroups.com> <60036746-78f7-4f05-a6d8-04e88b09c00f@googlegroups.com> <032f0f66-34df-4325-98e0-1127025d2a94@googlegroups.com> <31a618b2-a407-4723-9a4f-9b756fc93b0b@googlegroups.com> <0a920e92-5d31-4866-815b-cae7e201e4d8@googlegroups.com> <56c568f2$0$2832$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1vvBO/51qKf2REt48IHBews8Mx++U7efk/IcMuVcs9ww== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.024 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'thu,': 0.15; '80s': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:python3': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'programming': 0.22; 'feb': 0.23; 'replacing': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'idea': 0.28; "skip:' 10": 0.28; 'strongly': 0.30; 'post': 0.31; 'functional': 0.32; 'languages': 0.34; 'done': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'real-world': 0.66; 'deteriorated': 0.84; 'flaw': 0.84; 'tied': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=xfLFAwx/X4Pfl0oLdU8sOFoEXkI=; b=PRcryk veQkBvGp7GZgl8ObtO/F8oRlI1xUMqRmtlB8li8ZGkEHSYDRyKPO1v8GTMfF/PNN J6/8GL4xbxYtv0bEOipq9334iEW8FIWv3/mFd7ZZ1WKQnTUk/aJYKJJihTMpIdzl zKfNmoE0uc8P0/7ow7ot4A/U16qZIlSziDlfU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=xfLFAwx/X4Pfl0o LdU8sOFoEXkI=; b=DgRMvhvVWltKHl8IeXCRpI9y5+9KZA8rqJbAGeMOojNpbCX PlddjFP07jQYnDs7tztLN/Tuokmi3Zki2CqsLl/P1X8l3kUN2A5lw5kyi4cQcqKu O4LvVlLyPrrdHp2BxkwKQ1TuB2GVyRwJd6xFi6F62zjIoqAHJ1MeHQpeR184= X-Sasl-Enc: e82CAqPdVgPHxis9sIdwSh/Ar5Az0tgUpubGaJjidww7 1455810714 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-aeec9b65 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103128 On Thu, Feb 18, 2016, at 07:25, Rustom Mody wrote: > My beef is somewhat different: viz that post 70s (Pascal) and 80s > (scheme) > programming pedagogy has deteriorated with general purpose languages > replacing > 'teaching-purpose language' for teaching. The flaw in this idea is right there in your post. Both languages you named are strongly tied to a single paradigm (procedural for Pascal, and functional for Scheme) which don't match the paradigm that real-world work is done in. Is there a new "teaching-purpose language"?