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On 12 September 2013 16:47, Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> wrote:
> Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> writes:
>
>> If the time learning a set of tools is enough to make the choice
>> between tools, I suggest avoiding, say, Vim.
>
> That's a big if.
>
> If you expect to spend a lot of time editing text, code, etc. over the
> next few years then it's definitely learning at least one of vim or
> emacs to a reasonable degree of competency.

You misunderstood my argument.

I was trying to say that because people are willing to put the time in
to learn Vim and Emacs, there's already a precedent that the time
spent *isn't* enough to make the choice between tools, and thus the
argument I was responding to was wrong.