Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE? Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:13:24 +1100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <64a6599c-fae1-469d-bcee-875165b3cc7d@googlegroups.com> <56d294f8$0$1604$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <62084c14-abd1-4214-af08-70ce8449c83e@googlegroups.com> <6dq5db5j0hg2evl7t334ftdm5sk8n5itge@4ax.com> <93t5db9sib9ldgktrt7523fnis4tgq2uev@4ax.com> <9064f06c-cbd5-4bf4-98d7-24bed0e78c10@googlegroups.com> <90f65ae1-c3d8-4a36-bc9f-860403a0633c@googlegroups.com> <56d39335$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <85k2loxr4z.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de LS0umDQTgqFggpDHwDIWnA8LNByPxepezY1SuUSwhknw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'executable': 0.07; 'tool,': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'definition,': 0.09; 'here?': 0.09; 'must,': 0.09; 'encoding': 0.15; 'properly': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'imo,': 0.16; 'metadata.': 0.16; 'ported': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'slave': 0.16; 'subject:GUI': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'interpret': 0.22; 'feb': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'skip:" 20': 0.26; 'least': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'record': 0.29; 'code': 0.30; "can't": 0.32; 'changed': 0.33; 'lets': 0.33; 'file': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'data': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'here.': 0.62; 'information': 0.63; 'boss': 0.66; 'past,': 0.66; '\xe2\x80\x93': 0.72; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=63BjI73uO/Y2xjMuuNPcvHwJIOeyQLs0/+H51tI8jdU=; b=USIZmQy9t7BMW9r5lj8srsrF/J6clBid1g/X7d/PGuV3AxT0uPaxDieG17VL5oMWf8 ebD3T7VxE/dsGlEZ/iWMhSPGT02/epiZw1xFaMq3t83xDLowYQmdqDVesLuKOKbLxPhM CFm2aV+3m0DXPxXAaqp4IJwO/2S0mtHEG1xizvuW9WXd4/DI96LW+Gtt7CatiSyVwiFh M7jmeXuLqIHPbIFyDbY4dRHs50jhpCnGJAycrXf/d+fuFWTLhDYBdpa1ZweWnoqlZhtz fV8QrYqMWV6dwhV3bjtDNY2X1+ZPAZE6Y6T32p6IkxvzPe4Z8jEu7KysWsPlb9ATKwy7 Sc3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=63BjI73uO/Y2xjMuuNPcvHwJIOeyQLs0/+H51tI8jdU=; b=G6XOswSgmY0pKuxl25AUBY6C0JaLCb7rU21lYdsup8PjsUgWL5DDq0EdekJkOTQTLS ZDIL0mDU9tE/Q5dpnju8eZs50qyOKOTXUinCS2il3ff3Q9c7ZblrI44PEe9I4id3wwWn +9sPMcxCLzNML0Xh/jseVS1PnX2p4kgyXXnkHhwM70e5p5sv+6rEORDVvb/KU0NZkizo X3dvKMuIOFxJMSfPvEixxUHELhlhWgXekkEDAbHa/uIBDVgFd0Y0wVN8/FylumcYV5e0 sp35VZ1XejPboAhzBo1rpsny+b77UblhpERV3xyuwqnMEwxlI3dE5/u8SEF5zyq1YT0h 3X3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL3l03GZNDWN/rvnbXirLOMMQg/LK/fMoT1ZrSTyZdpvkt/kkG4OkkbMJRfhuk8F+VE/t1viBNXC9VPgw== X-Received: by 10.50.57.11 with SMTP id e11mr7391303igq.13.1456708404577; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:13:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <85k2loxr4z.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103670 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Ben Finney w= rote: >> Who is the boss here? The user of the tool, or the tool? > > We are unfortunately a slave to decisions made long in the past, to > record some metadata =E2=80=93 line endings, text encoding =E2=80=93 as i= n-band content > rather than out-of-band pure metadata. The VCS must, IMO, be at least > aware that the content has changed when those in-band data change. Not sure what you mean here. It's metadata that lets you properly interpret the content; by definition, that has to be out of band information with in-band consequences. It's like using a shebang to interpret an executable file - you can't just casually change the first line from "#!/usr/bin/python2" to "#!/usr/bin/python3" and deem that your code has now been ported to Py3. ChrisA