Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.070 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.87; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'finney': 0.16; 'henry': 0.16; 'meanwhile,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'people,': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'subject:) ': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'that.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'possible.': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'words,': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'you.': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'believe': 0.68; 'sound': 0.68; 'clearer': 0.84; 'concept.': 0.84; 'god,': 0.84; 'noise': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'speech,': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 15:10:36 +1100 References: <87ioem8ftg.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f2c9c6$0$12991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761ak7kxm.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87sido6491.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <6d6033b8-d228-4f5f-ac68-ae5b2a226431@googlegroups.com> <87d24regm6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f4763c$0$12979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87twy34dst.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <726afahrhnim716av2dnckrsd9n5j5kukj@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:BUEXbcKawDOuxmB84JiTeGEhw8A= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425355830 news.xs4all.nl 2950 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51187 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86808 Rustom Mody writes: > And among these people, if they are faithful to their own calling, to > their own vocation, and to their own message from God, communication > on the deepest level is possible. And the deepest level of > communication is not communication, but communion. It is wordless. It > is beyond words, and it is beyond speech, and it is beyond concept. > [… and on and on …] That's amazing. That sounds so deep and resonant. Like the sound of an empty water tank being thumped with a stick. It's rare to see an empty echoing clamour distilled into a salad of words tossed together with no regard for their meaning, quite as well as that. Thank you. Meanwhile, those of us who actually want to communicate will try harder to have our utterances actually mean something, and communicate clearer than the white noise of false profundity. -- \ “The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things | `\ without evidence.” —Thomas Henry Huxley, _Evolution and | _o__) Ethics_, 1893 | Ben Finney