Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Floating point equality [was Re: What exactly is "exact" (was Clean Singleton Docstrings)] Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:11:23 +1000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <7046c74e-e5ea-4dde-8847-8c556756a563@googlegroups.com> <5789B601.9000604@stoneleaf.us> <9d2a0934-bf26-42a8-9bb2-e4e75b2d2ad3@googlegroups.com> <1468652038.1427719.667878897.460955C0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <578a027c$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <69d8d886-c18a-4c05-8bca-9a05afacd9a9@googlegroups.com> <578ca188$0$1505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <877fcjcllf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <578da1b5$0$1591$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <578f0f5c$0$11115$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 0t7dgddzEBDDGfOi8ixV4wRiwvpa2cxeOqRWPoB5lflg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'float': 0.05; 'type,': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; '1.0)': 0.09; 'integer,': 0.09; 'type;': 0.09; 'stored': 0.10; 'wed,': 0.15; 'subject: \n ': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; '53-bit': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:Singleton': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'integer': 0.18; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; '64-bit': 0.22; 'implicit': 0.22; 'bit': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; '(e.g.': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'values': 0.28; '32-bit': 0.29; 'arithmetic': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'compared': 0.30; 'programmers': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'fail': 0.35; 'mode': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'why': 0.39; 'forget': 0.60; 'real': 0.62; 'limit': 0.65; '20,': 0.66; 'jul': 0.72; 'aiui': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'inefficient': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=38jMs3m5a2uJ2a/x7hYEk96pIdQTGIWWjevWNR7EAgI=; b=NOtLYOOK9t/gm4VaMYz+BUGnES3CU0WhF6ggiBKuVHGqMQJ8iadUylrc6nRN3LejA6 VZOT3mugcxD8yAVrhqbxlUFv68jje+YBZkB8QMqgPqb1M2lGwbHUj3v85nTPhhSMP3QP TOUkfDK566QGUi4MaA32+GRZH+md7Z1LJ3pk39Mzzvbkd1i0/FXvOzh4bFHdRuEcqfZZ gzoL6ZjZEgvm7gTAjVHeuTBwUzPAk3JgTsO/UAQ1ko7cKdm9X/XFv3Vo8Cx/maTugPh2 ZLY8esJRCjB3ZJaCrW49e5W/KbY9c4BKPCmp9G0H0WJJu3LDZ4w2cyrNJb0ozgohGAEz 9O6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=38jMs3m5a2uJ2a/x7hYEk96pIdQTGIWWjevWNR7EAgI=; b=X8V9MqArbY2/V9DR4g+qki0iJTcvQwB9QnCA9Rb/MAP9Q4gTgCquDY8RsdXOYMLgHJ V4EhiIN/fxUE5NclerokvXcZks/QbSAZ7L45Rabk/MUvy0HS347/xn0l9PmMbJC7ZfZg F8ST8YCgSqHB6f5jUXz09fvVP3TN8UDy3f1U8NgaSawVDmPreS14TL1P3yOBq1oPzv7L bteU5LlMsTwnM3xcHKhhCytJ3vCBH2GjJMkmpsaFhNDFcX8lwCBqgvjnBmLcyCZKdYma P1Utt0zLrJLAtTh1qdPsPwMwymmsXFxPidJB2y2qwc+Q/bVYUl/UwictbV44puATwWCy Vxrw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLHMMUPBJX7wIJxUPSzvkaOEWj5OKO1n/t3+pXtjtgDLMYu15wkYIbLOfoWzUEcanC9ZaHwQ0mTEUvtDg== X-Received: by 10.28.221.8 with SMTP id u8mr7314082wmg.61.1468995084321; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:11:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <578f0f5c$0$11115$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <7046c74e-e5ea-4dde-8847-8c556756a563@googlegroups.com> <5789B601.9000604@stoneleaf.us> <9d2a0934-bf26-42a8-9bb2-e4e75b2d2ad3@googlegroups.com> <1468652038.1427719.667878897.460955C0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <578a027c$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <69d8d886-c18a-4c05-8bca-9a05afacd9a9@googlegroups.com> <578ca188$0$1505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <877fcjcllf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <578da1b5$0$1591$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <578f0f5c$0$11115$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111658 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Arithmetic on integer-values (e.g. 1.0) is always exact, up to a limit of > either 2**53 or approximately 1e53, I forget which. (That's why most Javascript > programmers fail to notice that they don't have an integer type.) It's 2**53, because 64-bit floats use a 53-bit mantissa (52-bits stored and an implicit 1 at the beginning, although I can never remember how denormals are represented). Works out to a bit under 1e16. AIUI asm.js offers a 32-bit integer type, which in fall-back mode is represented with the native "Number" type; for values that could be stored in a 32-bit integer, a 64-bit float is perfectly accurate (just stupidly inefficient compared to a real integer type). ChrisA