Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!panix!not-for-mail From: Grant Edwards Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <4dbd1dbf$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77f64071-b288-404c-8280-b2c61ba77f06@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4dc2be25$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1304614372 20079 64.122.56.22 (5 May 2011 16:52:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:52:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-102 (Linux) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4760 On 2011-05-05, harrismh777 wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> In fairness, he's not the only one. M Harris has twice now linked to an >> IBM site that describes pass-by-reference in C in terms of passing a >> pointer to the argument you want as the argument. Admittedly, doing so >> gives you almost the same behaviour, except that you have to dereference >> the pointers yourself. >> >> That's a pretty big difference though, and gets to the core of the >> argument: it's a bit like arguing that manual cars are fitted with >> exactly the same automatic transmission as auto cars, it's just that you >> have to engage the clutch and shift gears yourself. > > > ... and actually, if you feel it just right and you have just the > right synchro-mesh setup, you can slide from 3rd into 4th without > every touching the clutch peddle... That's possible on pretty much any modern automotive or small-truck transmission, and it's not really that hard to do. I can go from 1st up to 5th and back down to 1st without touching the clutch. I don't as a habit do it, because it puts unnecessary wear on the syncros (and I've had cars with pretty weak syncros -- Alfa-Romeo Spyders were famous for the 2nd gear syncro wearing out). > and if that isn't automatic, I don't know what is.... No, that's _not_ automatic if you have to do it yourself. It's automatic when it happens without user-intervention. Now I think you're trolling... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I want to dress you at up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and gmail.com cover you with VASELINE and WHEAT THINS ...