Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeder2.ecngs.de!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:51:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:51:26 +0100 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Eclipse and the Python plugin References: <-rSdnaVYT4PNKobNnZ2dnUVZ7r2dnZ2d@bt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 56 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-5XDzPa2AMzoQZv04biOYmYpzURAC39CRd/LnuGJXpjK36TKGYB3SVgebz4ADwyYHwTXMId7cw9veLU4!08bPGly+iR+BXO+HXRKRqfXUa+OTy0Inag2cI8aaXNqBxBMyRXliRSSS74oQhvfc2c3zhYTiQY0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3772 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26442 On 03/08/12 14:54, rusi wrote: > On Aug 3, 4:34 pm, lipska the kat wrote: >> A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for >> python, well I just downloaded and installed the latest version of >> Eclipse for Java (Juno) followed by the Python plugin. > > Thanks Lipska for reporting back. > I personally find the eclipse UI frightening but I am unwilling to > conclude that its eclipse and not me. snip. I have no vested interest in Eclipse but I don't believe that you would feel the same once you got your head around the basics. I don't pretend to be an expert, far from it, but I have taught myself enough to go into a contract and hit the ground running, loading the source tree into Eclipse is a great way to start to understand the code and the libraries it uses. Well it works for me anyway. > More to the point, it seems to me that eclipse was today what emacs > was then -- seemingly too large but in time I expect it will not seem > so large. It can be bewildering I agree but the basics are not too intimidating. I remember early versions of IBMs VisualAge for Java ... guaranteed to give you brain damage. > So one more request from me: > > Can you try the refactoring support and tell us how it fares? Well, I don't really have enough Python code to refactor anything at the moment however I did try something that may or may not prove to be informative. If I create a Java class and right click in the code window and select refactor from the context menu there is a HUGE list of things I can do. Why I might want to do some of them I have no idea, but there they are. In contrast if I create a Python class and select refactor I get a significantly smaller list of things I can do. Inline local variable, Extract local variable, Extract method, Rename, Generate constructors, Generate properties and Override/Implement methods. I think this may be a result of Pythons different (from Java) grammar rules. I can write a Python class and call it Foo and save it in a file called Bar and it's no big deal (at least Eclipse doesn't get excited) If I try that in Java the sky falls in. Of course I'm about as far away from being a Python expert as it's possible to be. Anyway, if and when I find out more I'll let you know. It will be a while though. lipska -- Lipska the Kat: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun