Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Gregory Ewing Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 21:31:52 +1200 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <92f94aFploU1@mid.individual.net> References: <4dbd1dbf$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77f64071-b288-404c-8280-b2c61ba77f06@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4dc12fb4$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <7q1898-f3l.ln1@svn.schaathun.net> <3Ihwp.18043$Ot6.11759@newsfe15.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net Y7bf/bax2l0ZTv8I1Z3X3w1sAOgvbtPPHKXm5AlhWtliXvWK+O Cancel-Lock: sha1:BuKDOYUOnNza+7E+Ln3TykbwSr0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Macintosh/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4706 harrismh777 wrote: > That is the $10,000,000 dollar problem... how to > extricate ourselves from the von Neumann processor. *Everthing* comes > down to that... its hilarious to hear folks talk about lambda the > ultimate (especially those guys on Lambda the Ultimate) when there is no > such thing until such time as we have lambda the hardware architecture. I think there are fundamental problems that go beyond the issue of hardware design. It's easy to reason about a program that does things one step at a time, much harder when lots of things are happening at once. Whether you express the program using lambda calculus or a Turing machine doesn't change that fact. -- Greg