Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marko Rauhamaa Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Python 3.2 has some deadly infection Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:53:00 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <87sinju1hf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <538a8f48$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <538bcfff$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <538C5BB8.1020702@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <538f1a61$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87a99r7rmx.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <871tv37pdt.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ff5cf27ef3d5b31f034d3b72bdc27a41"; logging-data="12828"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+nA2O53eEVpeCmPBonAc2t" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cZ9XELB9QYYdHra4+632Zt7XyRU= sha1:F44pufxByuebDQHy1V6OfKMH0AE= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:72699 Chris Angelico : > If the standard streams are so crucial, why are their most obvious > interfaces insignificant to you? I want the standard streams to consume and produce bytes. I do a lot of system programming and connect processes to each other with socketpairs, pipes and the like. I have dealt with plugin APIs that communicate over stdin and stdout. Python is clearly on a crusade to make *text* a first class system entity. I don't believe that is possible (without casualties) in the linux world. Python text should only exist inside string objects. Marko