Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marko Rauhamaa Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: The =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cdoes?= Python have =?utf-8?Q?variables?= =?utf-8?Q?=3F=E2=80=9D?= debate Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 15:01:49 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8738gkh42a.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <235C4BFA-9770-481A-9FCF-21C3F036769C@gmail.com> <5368681D.8070602@islandtraining.com> <85zjiuea37.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <8738gmxgay.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87tx91warf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <85eh05cdjx.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87ha50hagu.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ff5cf27ef3d5b31f034d3b72bdc27a41"; logging-data="15527"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+By/yyh/I58lqmu7K5FgN" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Fi7bVn7ZeWIL54vcQH+KKXqdmOU= sha1:OwuWHoNZhgltlQAq0oMsALT0EAM= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:71092 Ben Finney : > Marko Rauhamaa writes: > >> I don't think flogging the beginner for talking about variables helps >> them get Python's data model. All that accomplishes is that they will >> shut up about variables in the fear of being flogged and not >> understand the data model any better. > > Who does that? I haven't seen anyone raising this topic with a > beginner in a hostile manner (“flogging”? why the hyperbole?), and > it's certainly not characteristic of how the topic is raised here. Flogging, spanking, admonishing, whatever. > I don't know what your point is, but please don't prop up straw men to > make it. Does that count as admonishing, at least? Point being, shunning the term "variable" is counterproductive. Python variables are nothing special and calling them "variables" doesn't mislead anybody. Marko