Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Daneliuk Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 16:40:35 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <555FA253.3020304@tundraware.com> References: <555f440a$0$12990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d887b3e675279b69468e57e74ea1dcb8"; logging-data="5697"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19lpaEoHft13561J1vHsmY2auIQnqVRESs=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:nxMUcosUdxG57NM4DzmpVjJf3kg= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91078 On 05/22/2015 10:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> I think Python is a prettier >> language visually than either Lua or Ruby, but they're in the ball-park. >> Both languages have their warts and quirks, but if Python were declared >> illegal overnight[1] I'd probably have no trouble adapting to Ruby or Lua. >> Python would still be my first love, but these two languages make a >> reasonable rebound language. > > A good start. Toy programs don't always tell the whole story, though. > How good are the three languages at making your code reliable in the > face of user action? My hobby-horse, Unicode, is a notable flaw in > many languages - if you ask the user for information (in the most > obvious way for whatever environment you're in, be that via a web > browser request, or a GUI widget, or text entered at the console), can > it cope equally with all the world's languages? What if you want to > manipulate that text - is it represented as a sequence of codepoints > (Python 3), UTF-16 code units (JavaScript), UTF-8 bytes (quite a few), > or "bytes in whatever codepage your system was set to" (anything that > hasn't cared)? > > ChrisA > Lo these many years ago, I argued that Python is a whole lot more than a programming language: https://www.tundraware.com/TechnicalNotes/Python-Is-Middleware/ -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/