Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:21:03 +1000 From: Lie Ryan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110513 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.10 ThunderBrowse/3.3.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Keyboard Layout: Dvorak vs Colemak: is it Worthwhile to Improvethe Dvorak Layout? References: <355e201c-437c-4944-9ad0-ae401df02651@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com> <4f4bv6hn40jsgpecuelejc66n7rkhv17fj@4ax.com> <26876242-ffa3-45e3-9ed7-5a40dafb1011@v10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <51ed065a-8ec7-425e-a43f-1c62575a1d6b@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <6c3796c9-97af-4a1a-ab02-40375ce4bfb6@k15g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <33d19c1f-2cf9-4645-bbdb-41bf832cf41b@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <75ba7352-c920-4970-897b-4ce9905688c1@s16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <75ba7352-c920-4970-897b-4ce9905688c1@s16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 110.175.240.90 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 110.175.240.90 Message-ID: <4dfd7999$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> X-Trace: dnews.tpgi.com.au!tpg.com.au 1308457369 110.175.240.90 (19 Jun 2011 14:22:49 +1000) Lines: 36 Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.glorb.com!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!rahul.net!wasp.rahul.net!rahul.net!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp3.phx1!dnews.tpgi.com.au!tpg.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:7940 On 06/18/11 03:53, Xah Lee wrote: > On Jun 15, 5:43 am, rusi wrote: >> On Jun 15, 5:32 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >>> Thanks. From testing small movements with my fingers I see that the >>> fourth finger is in fact a bit weaker than the last finger, but more >>> importantly, it is much less dexterous. Good to know! >> >> Most of the piano technique-icians emphasis, especially those of the >> last century like Hanon, was to cultivate 'independence' of the >> fingers. The main target of these attacks being the 4th finger. >> >> The number of potential-pianists who ruined their hands and lives >> chasing this holy grail is unknown > > Hi rusi, am afaid going to contradict what u say here. > > i pretty much mastered Hanon 60. All of it, but it was now 8 years > ago. The idea that pinky is stronger than 4th is silly. I can't fathom > any logic or science to support that. Perhaps what u meant is that in > many situations the use of pinky can be worked around because it in at > the edge of your hand so you can apply chopping motion or similar. > (which, is BAD if you want to develope piano finger skill) However, > that's entirely different than saying pinky being stronger than 4th. > > there's many ways we can cookup tests right away to see. e.g. try to > squeeze a rubber ball with 4th and thumb. Repeat with pink + thumb. > Or, reverse exercise by stretching a rubber band wrapped on the 2 > fingers of interest. You can easy see that pinky isn't stronger. Except that the actual finger strength themselves are not very relevant; the dexterity of the fingers turned out to matter more because pressing the keys in a keyboard does not actually take a lot of power. Finger strength is even less important in typing than piano since, since the character produced by power press and light press are the same.