X-Received: by 10.224.213.197 with SMTP id gx5mr21627580qab.8.1362628132988; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:48:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.29.99 with SMTP id j3mr843782qeh.38.1362628132919; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:48:52 -0800 (PST) Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder2.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!dd2no7869206qab.0!news-out.google.com!p7ni59qai.0!nntp.google.com!dd2no7869199qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:48:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.196.67.65; posting-account=h3aEwQoAAACiuqX-oR3gvCVFm8lLHoWj NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.196.67.65 References: <512cb0a0$0$30001$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57fd0b09-b30d-4e62-845a-aac198113a40@googlegroups.com> <54967758-e84c-4b9c-a09c-10fbdbec230f@googlegroups.com> <63b306c9-db6f-4c4c-b3c6-4c602ba31201@kt16g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <20130306114842.c0da03f1ba6a3c99d429f3a8@lavabit.com> <2d3eea1e-db12-4448-80b3-2743866a2d42@googlegroups.com> <857d97ed-7c86-43c9-9751-9728652ac122@hd10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <99d379b6-2d51-4b97-b5c7-d4db4481e129@hd10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <4c4592aa-91a5-4562-861e-36624cac2eeb@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48055f42-6cdd-4f97-a4e2-a7b09f9cc4a3@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Do you feel bad because of the Python docs? From: Rick Johnson Injection-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:48:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 42 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:40698 On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:12:37 PM UTC-6, alex23 wrote: > Your obsession with Guido is tiring.=20 And your false accusations that i am somehow "obsessed" with GvR have BEEN = tiring for quite some time! I am neither passionate for or prejudice agains= t the man. I simple ask that he live up to his job title. > Open source is not a cult of > personality. It's about doing what you can where you can when you can > to make things better. Insisting that he "endorse" your ideas is > ridiculous. Of course insisting that he validate me *personally* would be ridiculous. B= ut i am NOT suggesting that he validate ME, i am suggesting that he do his = job. And his job is to oversee the language evolution and maintain a sense = of community. Specifically: "leading by example".=20 Q: "Why even have a python-list if GvR and all the "heavies" at py-dev neve= r participate in the conversations?" By NOT participating they are speaking louder than words. > Third party modules will never be handled by the Python bug tracker, > nor should they be lumped into the same "path"; they're the concern of > their developers=20 I agree, that was an unfortunate typo. > If you have ideas for improvement, _then implement them_. The crate.io > guys didn't wait for community validation to address what they > perceived were issues with PyPI, they rolled up their sleeves and did > something about it. Great, and i commend the contribution. But is yet ANOTHER Python package li= st going to help anyone? How about 10 or 20 more Python package indexes?=20 Community fragmentation and language forks due to core-dev stubbornness is = unfortunate. I would much rather had them contribute to the existing packag= e index instead of creating a new one.=20 Congratulations Alex, your solution of pushing everyone away is working fla= wlessly -- just don't be surprised when you find yourself cold and alone.