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Subject: Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 14:55:34 -0000 (UTC)
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In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 3/9/26 09:59, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>>>    The Python VENV *seems* to be thwarting my
>>>    ability to run certain hard-core system
>>>    routines via "os.system()" or related. The
>>>    'virtual' seems to be for idiot 7-year-olds
>>>    you don't want to crash the box.
>>>
>>>    Well, sometimes, I *want* to crash the box.
>> 
>> As Jon says, you’ve misdiagnosed your problem.
> 
>   COULD be ...
> 
>   But I still note that things that worked clean
>   and easy pre-VENV now DON'T.
> 
>   Who/what should I blame ?
> 
>   There's no POINT in a 'virtual environment/machine'
>   unless you PLAN to isolate the base machine from
>   the application to various degrees.
> 
>> If you actually want someone to help solve your problem then you’ll have
>> to accurately describe what you are trying and what is happening. In
>> practice this means posting the exact code you are using and exactly
>> what happens when you run it.
> 
>   Too fuckin' old now, not gonna get into a million
>   details and sub-sub-sub-config-files. I just report
>   that some lower-level OS commands no longer work
>   as expected, or at all, using the usual Python
>   utilities for doing so.
> 
>   I want the VENV *dead* ... CAN that be done ???

And, again, much as Jon said, you are blaming "venv's" but given us no 
examples to support your assertion.  It is *very likely* that you 
indeed are blaming the wrong thing.  How about creating a very short 
example that works without a venv but fails within one, and posting 
that example.  That will give others, who may know far more python than 
you do, something to analyze and maybe show you where the problem 
really exists.