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On 08/01/2021 19:55, Chris Burrows wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 12:49:12 PM UTC+10:30, Paul Richards
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm just following an interest in various languages. Having
>> programmed extensively in Borland Pascal I wanted to see what one
>> of its predecessors was like. I have FST and Topspeed installed
>> under DOSBox-x. The problems I'm having, as you will have noted,
>> seem to be related to the PATH and environment variables in that
>> both compilers can't seem to find certain files even if they are
>> there.
>> 
>> I'll be trying to develop fairly simple programs at first but
>> eventually I want to look at random access files and their use.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> OK - I see. I assume you mean 'successors' rather than
> 'predecessors'? The chronology / timeline of this family of languages
> is:
> 
> ... ALGOL60 -> Pascal -> Modula-2 -> Oberon
> 
> Modula-2 cleaned up most of the syntactic quirks of Pascal.
> 
> In the Modula-2 era software was accompanied by extensive printed
> documentation and very little online. e.g the TopSpeed system came
> with more than 1000 pages in the form of a User's Manual, Language
> Tutorial, User Reference, Techkit and Visual Debugger. Unfortunately,
> you would only be able to scratch the surface and not be able to get
> a full appreciation of the system without this. Personally, I
> wouldn't bother with FST except as a very simple introduction. It was
> very rudimentary. Another system to look out for is Logitech
> Modula-2, particularly version 3 if you want to run under MS-DOS.
> They were amongst the original and were the kings for many years.
> Their Visual Debugger was groundbreaking at the time. The full
> manuals are available online from BitSavers and the like.

As was their PMD facility to find out exactly where and how a program 
failed assuming that you had a copy of the release version and linker 
map. I preferred JPI/Topspeed to Logitech though. Logitech was a 4 pass 
overlaid compiler but it was slow and as dumb as a rock for optimising 
and any assembler code had to be entered in *HEX*.


-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

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