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Am Mittwoch000003, 03.12.2025 um 08:02 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Montag000001, 01.12.2025 um 13:23 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
>>> On 12/1/2025 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>> You wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   > No, they don't, they just add one (or some)
>>>>   > more layer on top of it.
>>>>
>>>> Techically they are not von Neuman architecture.
>>>> Unified Memory with Multiple Tensor Cores is
>>>> not von Neuman architecture.
>>>
>>> We can use von Neumann architecture
>>> to emulate other architectures, but as long as it
>>> is performed by our computers it is technically
>>> von Neumann's.
>>>
>> Did you know, that 'von Neuman architecture'
> 
> It really is spelled _von Neumann_, named after the Hungarian-American
> polymath John von Neumann.  He was born (as Neumann János Lajos) into a
> non-observant Jewish family, and raised, in Budapest, then in the Empire of
> Austria-Hungary.  His family name may be of German origin.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Life_and_education>
> 
>> was actually invented and patented by Konrad Zuse in Germany in the early
>> 1930th?
> 
> NOT true.  Von Neumann's architecture "was based on the work of J. Presper
> Eckert and John Mauchly, inventors of ENIAC and its successor, EDVAC."


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3

Didn't you know, that 1937 was much earlier than the Eniac in 1945?



> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Computer_science>
> 
> ENIAC (completed in 1945) and EDVAC (completed in 1949, in operation from
> 1951 to 1962) were "programmable, electronic, general-purpose digital
> computers".  They were NOT based on or copies of the Z series of computers
> as invented and built by Konrad Zuse; the first computer of that series that
> was fully digital was the Z5, ordered in 1950 and delivered in 1953:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDVAC>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z5_(computer)>
> 
>> The liberators stole it from Zuse (like zillions of other patents from
>> other German inventors).
> 

'Operation paperclip' was actually a systematical manhunt by US forces 
for German scientists.

Also the patens were plundered, especially those from single inventors 
like Zuse.

The US tropps actually invaded eastern Germany prior to Soviet troops, 
because they wanted to get hold of scientists from Ohrdruf in Thuringia.

TH