Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:11:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:11:42 -0700 From: Patricia Shanahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please References: <1p8ku7t6niu12h4amqpacvqvd9nv659opq@4ax.com> <038a5966-8619-470d-9a65-c15f214c5a0f@googlegroups.com> <53hku7dsa5dqi7nru47qemqg75hnuuv7bs@4ax.com> <4fea6d75$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <63uku71ckap2t9ekhq8e7l10sp08q56tn0@4ax.com> <2a9d3151-c8a9-49fb-b80f-268233993dce@googlegroups.com> <0osmu7lj6kirqc51brrjabebhn2om2mn3a@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <0osmu7lj6kirqc51brrjabebhn2om2mn3a@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.230.202.8 X-Trace: sv3-FFj1fXiy4l2rkA18+KHSv5Adhu/5r3VPssFaZVibQn+VGEjqUJIQAknN4mryRnnjKh8gbamyyTKwIAY!t7Z1l2Pi0OiN8/33NYIN7Xb0RgScWKVE0nVlVpyFrVqm9G4upGAaymFZvGdIOkYDIB04mlhp7LMO!YLL18s8FeT4fEnCI/OoVKxe4S4PePdLntUmXvOjBaVTn X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2815 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:15682 On 6/27/2012 2:09 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: ... > No, *your* overtly anti-social and self-aggrandising approach is > not suitable. I gave up on Java, partly because the language making > certain things that I need awkward to do and partly because of the > snarking. > I have largely given up on this newsgroup, and only drop in occasionally, because of the tone of the discussion. In any case, this newsgroup is dying from lack of new regulars, and I think that is a key reason. If you get jumped on the first time you ask a question, why come back? When I first showed up in comp.lang.java as a very experienced programmer but new to Java, my questions were answered politely and my mistakes were handled gently. The failures of this newsgroup have not made me give up on Java, for anything for which Java seems to me to be the most suitable of the languages I know. Of course, a language making things you need to do awkward is an extremely good reason for using a different language. With so many languages to choose from, there is no point fighting a language that is not a good fit for what you are doing. Patricia