Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:04:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 09:04:09 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java servlet on browsers: dying or kicking ? References: <50d892e5$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dbf6d1$0$80176$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50dcfecc$0$292$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50dd5b51$0$80184$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <50de2260$0$293$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <50df9c4b$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <2--dnSzM_qkbO3TNnZ2dnUVZ8nmdnZ2d@bt.com> <50ea2e97$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> In-Reply-To: <50ea2e97$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-MaxAdaCWUJVclSbhJ9Q0e0JRpts7WPRH82TMF7QDEfiFUwbNnhQRUVOg7NSwfKFnQLLyK2vAxe/YHS6!+v++phbIEg44TQkb72l/kpbmwO2KVrfpKFmpOI0PYGZ0pytB+PYhrlR87bDdOumeEtLx2oK3SSI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3792 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:21143 On 07/01/13 02:10, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 1/6/2013 1:44 PM, lipska the kat wrote: >> On 06/01/13 17:46, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>> On 01/06/2013 12:29 PM, lipska the kat wrote: >>>> On 06/01/13 14:29, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >>>>> On 01/06/2013 06:27 AM, lipska the kat wrote: >>>>>> On 05/01/13 00:22, Richard Maher wrote: >>>>>>> "Arved Sandstrom" wrote in message >>>>>>> news:nUoEs.1$Z03.0@newsfe23.iad... >>>>>>>> On 12/29/2012 09:43 PM, Arne Vajh�j wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>>> But let's say they put all the business rules in the Business Layer >>>>>>> implemented in a Java or C# class. Who is going to inforce thos >>>>>>> rules >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> PHP Perl or Python access? >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a spurious argument. Any organization that allows unfettered >>>>>> access to it's data by random clients written in unsupported >>>>>> languages >>>>>> deserves everything it gets. >>>>> >>>>> Putting it another way, this is not a technical issue >>>> >>>> You argue that putting all the business rules in a single layer [of >>>> some >>>> system] is bad because it does not prevent other access methods from >>>> doing bad things with your business[data] >>> >>> No, that wasn't any argument of mine. >> >> but ... but ... please allow the the indulgence of quoting you >> >> "But let's say they put all the business rules in the Business Layer >> implemented in a Java or C# class. Who is going to inforce thos rules >> from PHP Perl or Python access" > > You are quoting Richard Maher. > >> I'm not sure how else to interpret this, maybe you could help me out ! > > I doubt that Arved can explain what Richard meant. You are correct of course. I apologise to Arved. But it still doesn't make the argument any more valid. lipska -- Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun