Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Steven Simpson Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Wormholes Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:26:06 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 125 Message-ID: References: <0ska4895k2mp2j5fb5p4qnue7lsbdpoeoo@4ax.com> <9mbhh9-mce.ln1@s.simpson148.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="82310ab08bf578f62a5b66a5c4f3702f"; logging-data="19669"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Mw7s4zfJLd90XdXqPwQj55PdMI0i2DMA=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:0wQvfSl/122WKgrqVXWUbnEXqAE= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:18561 On 05/09/12 20:51, Robert Klemme wrote: > I knew finally someone would suggest ThreadLocal for this. This might > be even worse than global variables, especially since you pass hidden > state which usually makes testing more difficult. Quite; that's why I started with: "Assuming that you can't improve your structure or refactor, ..." That is, others' advice is to be tried first. > The proper approach would be to pass the state down the call chain. You're probably right, but there's not enough information in the stated problem. I'd recently experienced a specific version of the problem, and mentioned how it was solved. For me, the "incommensurate ripples" would be a use-specific change in an API. > IMHO the best usage for ThreadLocal is to cache state *inside a class* > if calls may be concurrent and the cost of creating the state is > significantly high. But using it to pass information between classes > because one wants to avoid adding method parameters is asking for > trouble. I'll be more specific with the example I gave. Here's an abridged API for a hierarchical structure that can be serialized: abstract class Box { List children; abstract InputStream getFieldContent(); final InputStream getChildContent() { List streams = new ArrayList<>(children.size()); for (Box child : children) streams.add(child.getContent()); return new SequenceInputStream(Collections.enumeration(streams)); } final InputStream getContent() { return new SequenceInputStream(getFieldContent(), getChildContent()); } } Several library-defined extensions are provided, implementing getFieldContent() in various useful ways. Outside the library, there's a user creating a custom box type, making a hierarchy including it, and caching it: class MyAppSpecBox extends Box { InputStream getFieldContent() { ... } } // Create hierarchy out of library Box extensions. Box root = ... ; // Add the custom box type somewhere in the hierarchy. Box myBox = new MyAppSpecBox(); root.children.get(2).children.get(1).children.add(myBox); cache.store(key, root); Fetch it later, and serialize it: Box root = cache.fetch(key); InputStream in = root.getContent(); Suppose we want MyAppSpecBox.getFieldContent() to use a context which is known only at the point of fetching from the cache. We don't control the Box API, and even if we did, we couldn't add an application-specific parameter to the getContent() family of methods. How would we add a generic one, one that would be usable by several users independently and simultaneously (other than the Context class I suggested, which is just a variation on ThreadLocal)? If we could locate myBox from root, we could pass the context to it after fetching. However, traversing the full hierarchy or even knowing the correct path seem clumsy ways to locate it. Also, its storage of the context would not be thread-safe. So, we throw in a ThreadLocal: static ThreadLocal context = ...; class MyAppSpecBox extends Box { InputStream getFieldContent() { Context ctxt = context.get(); ... } } We set it before invoking the hierarchy: Box root = cache.fetch(key); Context ctxt = new Context(...); context.set(ctxt); InputStream in = root.getContent(); > Also, you need to be aware that the lifetime of these objects can be > quite long (there was a discussion about various aspects of > ThreadLocal in light of thread pools here earlier). That use of ThreadLocal was preserving state from one 'prong' of the stack to the next, presumably with no way to inject a ThreadLocal.set(null) at a common vertex of those prongs. This use of ThreadLocal only pushes values up the stack, which allows us to be more rigorous: Box root = cache.fetch(key); Context ctxt = new Context(...); context.set(ctxt); try { InputStream in = root.getContent(); } finally { context.set(null); } Cheers, Steven -- ss at comp dot lancs dot ac dot uk