Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:35:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:35:08 -0800 From: Patricia Shanahan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Agile Project Management References: <4f33b3ba$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.230.206.198 X-Trace: sv3-LrB0CPpqQpjJ2DWK1yPlHIlnaFuKmvqMKJm9/FBZH0voD9ooTEP35E6ueWKJixP+A+mB9Hz1tGVgN0F!NealwW35KNYfobJYxyqiIGG6Z5UUBDhxhJsfnWkEVSgJTtg8L/O3Ip9PeDTJi6KTQ/gMBxCbkEQ3!jTnvLl6oK1NnK34KxFCaV81h7JoT+sp3+9YpfeE+e4jTCHg= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2052 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:11930 Arved Sandstrom wrote: ... > I'll bet there were a whole bunch of coders, when Agile hit the streets > as a labeled methodology, who read up on it and thought to themselves, > Geez, I did s**t like that 20 or 30 years ago. You mentioned the need > for a special relationship with the customer for XP: guess what, that > special relationship exists in the absence of XP. In fact, _if_ that > special relationship obtains, *and* you have a software development team > that isn't inflexibly wedded to any particular methodology [1], many > core elements of Agile will naturally appear anyway. I know I was doing test-driven development in 1983. I just didn't know what to call it. Patricia