Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Roedy Green Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: O.T. FTP upload Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 06:58:24 -0800 Organization: Canadian Mind Products Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <20450779.421.1320280271675.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pref15> <29023256.854.1320442153338.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqiu15> Reply-To: Roedy Green NNTP-Posting-Host: Z2l1DcCELS0rATq8NqV4Sw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:9654 On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC), Martin Gregorie wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >Because Roedy, IIRC, used Windows and has little *nix experience. Viewed >in the context of a Windows power user with little *nix experience, all >the stuff you or I would regard as essentials, namely a *nix shell (does >Cygwin include sh, ash, ksh or all three) and the Core Utils, can fairly >be described as cruft. I am almost there. I am gradually documenting how to make this work step-by-step for newbies. I have created an MkIsoFS image so far. I am wading through the 54 pages of options on cdRecord. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/cygwin.html http://mindprod.com/jgloss/cdburning.html http://mindprod.com/application/backuptozip.manual.html if you want to kibitz It all makes much more sense than the last time I fiddled with Cygwin. The nice thing about this is when I am done I will have a Linux and Mac solution too. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com Capitalism has spurred the competition that makes CPUs faster and faster each year, but the focus on money makes software manufacturers do some peculiar things like deliberately leaving bugs and deficiencies in the software so they can soak the customers for upgrades later. Whether software is easy to use, or never loses data, when the company has a near monopoly, is almost irrelevant to profits, and therefore ignored. The manufacturer focuses on cheap gimicks like dancing paper clips to dazzle naive first-time buyers. The needs of existing experienced users are almost irrelevant. I see software rental as the best remedy.