Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 04:40:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:40:02 +0000 From: lipska the kat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120410 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: To: Arni, Lars, Gene and the rest of the gang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-o4dfrqPqZcmoP9jcxEeLeyYAhHJCOK8h1+QeVJ9NN8YVYPO7ECQ0bu/b8FyrydwN/hzAGBATs+MZYn8!LfzvCegmfTi5W/7nUh19Av0/Wy4+kIhK82Z2FTE0SeUKCS/vEJs6VA/I4aqJQtrBz7gkqC4jOYc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2573 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:20623 Unfortunately our conversation now appears to have descended into the profane. This was a mistake on my part but at the time I felt it was justified. We have now come up against the law of diminishing returns so it's probably time to call it a day. I'm not going anywhere by the way. I'll state my case one more time as clearly and succinctly as I can. I object to the wholesale 'ganging up' on anyone who apparently transgresses some nebulous unwritten rule of the society that is com.lang.java.programmer. All societies must have rules, that is uncontested, however the implementation of those rules should not be determined by some cadre of self-appointed self-righteous administrators of an unmoderated newsgroup. If someone transgresses, politely point out the error of their ways. It only takes one of you, not the whole group. But ... and here's the important bit, I can see no reason for the sort of behavior exhibited by certain readers of this group towards people who, for whatever reason, they decide have transgressed. Someone mentioned freedom of speech. I agree with freedom of speech however when a minority attempt to impose their collective will on an individual the first thing to suffer is that which you all profess to hold so dear. That's it. If you still don't understand then I don't know what else to say. lipska -- Lipska the Kat©: Troll hunter, sandbox destroyer and farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun