Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.saix.net!news.saix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:49:02 -0600 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Linking Jars References: <9k0vruFa01U1@mid.individual.net> <15907460.104.1323023857826.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfi36> <3ncpd7lotvqcli2s3rhg4bvodnlgd8pfht@4ax.com> From: ilAn Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:49:00 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sItHNgHrjEvqynTiqbnYuHb45A0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Forwarded: by - (DeleGate/9.9.2-pre7) Lines: 106 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-jcOwkttSz5UdgjXJsLKLe2+c382Cwu8NagW8mi8h0kE5ZK23L7SgldKgj6aDNSfN5VWRC7iFSWMaJK2!vU8WAEAMHimLu4+ymKypQqPjcH/iZnCPa1IgbTXGagmypveixzLWNj6fZxE= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5285 Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:10533 Roedy Green writes: > On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:37:37 -0800 (PST), Lew > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : > >>Amazing what the documentation can reveal if one were *ACTUALLY TO READ IT*. > > Why do you mean "IT"? The online docs on Java would form a book > several meters thick. You can't read it all. You have to know WHAT to > read. You an almost supernatural skill at knowing where to look, > perhaps because you have read it all and remember where everything is > discussed. Others have not. You can read it all. You just have to want to; and have the stamina. Perhaps not watch television as much for a while. > > You assume everyone has your skill and energy for, and absolute > confidence in one's interpretation at reading documentation. I don't get the sense he thinks everyone has his skill or energy. > > I had to read that page three times before I noticed the relevant > lines. I only found it because someone had told me it HAD to be > there. I was looking for "jar linking" or some similar phrase. It > wasn't there. So, are you saying that you would not understand it anyway, so there is no point in reading it? > > My motive for asking is I was composing an entry in the java glossary > http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jarlinking.html > > I did this as a favour to the Java community. I did not do it to > annoy you. Thank you. May the hordes of Java programmers come to your site and not stackoverlow.com. > When I write such an entry, I often ask a question to check if there > is anything I overlooked or if I harbour some wrong-headed notion. That is a good practise. But I am not sure what point you are making about the suggestion that reading the documentation is a good thing. > > If you don't like answering, don't. You are not obligated to respond. > But stop chastising me every time I ask a question. I am pretty confident that he knows he is not obligated to respond. In fact you are not obligated to read his responses. But chastising you seems quite sensible at the moment. > > It is perfectly legit to ask a question even if I am 99% certain of > the answer, just to bring up a topic for discussion and general > education. Stop pretending it is crime to ask a question. I did not see anyone pretend such a thing. > > Besides being rude, you are squelching newbies who are afraid of you. > When you attack me, you intimidating the newbies who fear the same > treatment. You are interfering with education. CUT IT OUT! Why is being rude a bad thing? Sometimes its an excellent way to make a point. And why are you worrying about these scared little newbies that you are projecting into the conversation? A newbie who is scared about being corrected rudely; deserves to be frightened. But I disagree that he is intefering with education by suggesting that people educate themselves (and in the end we only ever learn what we teach ourselves). > > The alternative would have resulted in a article that failed to > mention the option of OneJar or jar Class-path. That makes me brave > your shower of virtual vegetables almost every time I ask a question > or confirmation. I have to go through this humiliation ritual for the > privilege of consulting the great Lew Oracle. Not really. You are only creating the humiliation for yourself. There is no requirement for you to read anything anyone posts. Choose who you want to read and don't read what you don't want to read. > > You have a serious psychological problem, a pathological desire to put > others down. It must poison your whole life. You could not possibly > maintain a relationship if you belittled your partner the way you > daily belittle me. Aww. shame. Perhaps a blankie and some nice warm milk? > > You are a very clever person, and the information you contribute is > invaluable, but please delete the sarcasm and hectoring. It is a cold > wet blanket on discussion. I disagree. I enjoy his wit. -- a newbie