Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx05.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeff Higgins Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Including JAR files in Eclipse 4.2, specifically Rome (RSS Feed parser) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 11:33:58 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <77e07a91-5fa7-4d84-a19f-8d34dea71784@googlegroups.com> <6f335201-9cf3-433e-8b20-dc37553aa9c2@googlegroups.com> <73463b63-b956-45d7-bce0-22b9235ad0ad@googlegroups.com> <4a675fff-5298-44d7-80b5-941c52a69ff0@googlegroups.com> <51806f66$0$32104$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <5181b2e7$0$32107$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="6b9e92482af47766954d85fb77d372f5"; logging-data="2697"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184ZhD0gcVG8xSEzBq/pnHdk58FMrekzCg=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130121 Icedove/10.0.12 In-Reply-To: <5181b2e7$0$32107$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Cancel-Lock: sha1:hGDfUMuaoZ0rGnYMcbPBcd0nu+k= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:23786 On 05/01/2013 08:27 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 5/1/2013 3:22 AM, Jeff Higgins wrote: >> On 05/01/2013 01:55 AM, lipska the kat wrote: >>> The OP had a problem with Eclipse, as it turns out it was actually a >>> problem with incompatible third party components. 'Helping' the OP by >>> telling him not to use Eclipse to build his project wasn't really >>> answering the question was it. >>> >> As it turns out Chuck has begun his Java education at a horrendous >> starting place. > > It happens. If he was an expert in what would be a good starting > point, then he would not be a beginner. > > 20 years ago I like to write my own low level IO library in assembler. > That somewhat worked OK until I tried writing GUI stuff more > specifically use of Xlib the same way. > > :-) > Yep. Perhaps I've been harsh. I'm in the very same boat with Chuck, heading aft. I can sympathize. For some months I've taken an earnest interest in a subject for which there is an excellent laboratory implemented in a Python environment. It is written by experts in both the subject matter and in Python. Several years ago I determined to learn the Python language. I spent a good year at it and before loosing interest felt that I had a fair understanding. Now I find myself exploring an unfamiliar subject in what turns out to be an unfamiliar programming environment. It is frustrating to have to diverge, sometimes for many hours, from studying the matter at hand to unraveling an implementation issue, something that should be simple but simply isn't. What I cannot sympathize with is the "I'm busy and have better things to do" attitude. When pressed Chuck replies with, "I'm a working student I really don't have the time for all of that" and "I was really hoping for an expert to show me what to do, but since there are none here could you just point me to a wiki/tutorial or something?". Hell no, I say. Among other responsibilities I've been a "working student" for forty plus years and have just spent a precious few hours of my own struggling to understand an unfamiliar language construct.