Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BGB Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java cousins Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:22:25 -0600 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <1j20zwyhyr6ro.14e5pd2n4p1n2$.dlg@40tude.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net m10qoefatTi9jyPOMJkoOZnHQX8XcWULETQC7OptsdQFrBgVdLBtOuRm/uGT/+rGFu499sw444khYesFdSqwLUsK9PLtkZgYme1YBIiupGDQFdpYMBLlPwdhIavJYeJU NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="cmfsvbTZ0lt2XRyKzWkpY+qFc3UY1roLQUI9SQozctHTQQoAX30DKyCYbBBArqeQuRXSjKsrfQa5znCWcFifN+2Si/RO00BY5Ac0P0zh2ewrCO6g/qk8qk/vOW1u8rOY"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 In-Reply-To: <1j20zwyhyr6ro.14e5pd2n4p1n2$.dlg@40tude.net> Cancel-Lock: sha1:uDqyCkCAmyXFkPCMlAGMNOi94IA= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:21711 On 1/25/2013 3:26 AM, Joerg Meier wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:01:25 -0800 (PST), bob smith wrote: > >> I was just wondering what other technologies besides Java are affected by the Oracle/Sun issue. I think JavaScript is somewhat affected, but I don't fully understand that. > > Java and JavaScript are really in no way related. The confusingly similar > naming is the only thing they have in common, other than that, they are > about as related as Java is to the similarly named coffee. > naming is fun isn't it... but, oddly, no one seems to really be rapidly jumping over to the ECMAScript name... but, not many people are comfortable with the Java trademark either. so, we end up with a lot of Script (or "WhateverScript") languages... admittedly, my language is included in this category as well. it sort of works partly as ECMAScript sort of has fuzzy borders, so more or less anything with a similar syntax and similar features will fit. can you type: "var obj={x: 3, y: 4};" and "function foo(x) { ... }" and similar? good enough... unlike many other languages, there is no limit on how many syntax features or keywords can be added, and a person can also usually get by leaving things out as well, so the borders between ECMAScript and WhateverScript are much less clearly defined than, say, between C and Java, ... (and, one can tempt the waters, by say, using less absurd semantics for '==', ...). but, ironically, JavaScript remains more distinctive at least as far as it is "the language that runs in web-browsers and is directly embedded into HTML documents", and generally bounded by "you can't vary things too much, or people wont use a browser where most websites don't work, or a site where most browsers don't work", which is a property generally absent from many other WhateverScript variants (since there may be little or no direct need to share code with other implementations). but, with the drawback that many people are so often prone to confuse JavaScript and Java. or such...