Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!blackhelicopter.databasix.com!not-for-mail From: Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,comp.lang.java.programmer,alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now Subject: Re: NOMINATION - Paul "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for GAB Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:11:36 -0500 Organization: DataBasix - News Done Right. Lines: 136 Message-ID: References: <88b25416-6718-4817-8ddc-5881e2242acf@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blackhelicopter.databasix.com 1343613510 24106 blackhelicopter.databasix.com (30 Jul 2012 01:58:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@databasix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:58:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 X-AOL-Abuser: Yes X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.19.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.3 Safari/533.19.4,gzip(gfe) X-Newreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 X-WebTv-Abuser: Yes X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16600 On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:21:24 GMT, This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use wrote in : >Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:03:37 GMT, This account has been banned because >> it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use wrote in >> : >> >>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.14.135.55 >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:23 GMT, Captain Koloth Derbyshite >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Nov 30, 10:29 am, Lew wrote: >>>>> Captain Koloth wrote: >>>>> > That IS the contract. >>>>> >>>>> Only half of it. >>>> >>>> Nearly all of it, given it's rarely custom-subclasses. >>>> >>>>> People who write code are just as important as those who use it. >>>> >>>> That does not make sense. Both clients and subclassers are "people who >>>> write code". >>>> >>>>> >> But the contract also exists for the SortedMap implementer, and it >>>>> >> defines what he's allowed to do. If i wrote a SortedMap under 1.4 >>>>> >> that returned a key set that wasn't a SortedSet, which was >>>>> >> perfectly legal at that point, i would take a very dim view of a >>>>> >> change to the definitionof SortedMap in 1.5 that made it illegal. >>>>> >>>>> > Why? It would be very easy to update it, since the backing Map is >>>>> >>>>> But you thus show that you realize that there would be a need for >>>>> change if the contract changed. >>>> >>>> Qagh Sopbe'. >>> >>>Huh? >>> >>>> Entirely beside the point, given how little change. >>> >>>>> And you don't know how easy it would be to update it, >>>>> since the implementation to change will itself be used by other code, >>>>> which then will need to change >>>> >>>> QoH! It won't, since changing the implementation keySet return type to >>>> SortedSet won't force change on clients of that code, and it's >>>> unlikely for the implementation to be itself subclassed, and even more >>>> unlikely for such a subclass to be overriding the superclass >>>> implementation of keySet. >>>> >>>>> thus requiring unit tests, regression tests, >>>>> deployment to a zillion production sites, possible new bugs to fix, >>>>> delays to other more critical feature improvements or repair, and a >>>>> whole lot of cost to Java projects overall. >>>> >>> >>>> Tojo'Qa'! >>> >>>Huh? >>> >>>> What a ridiculous slippery slope argument. >>>> >>>>> > sorted. You'd just need to implement first, last, subSet, tailSet, >>>>> > and headSet, and you could make all of those (in presumably an >>>>> > anonymous inner class of your map) punt to >>>>> > MySortedMap.this.firstKey(), lastKey (), subMap(x,y).keySet(), >>>>> > tailMap(x).keySet(), and headMap(y).keySet (). >>>>> >>>>> > It would take all of five minutes. >>>>> >>>>> [calls me a liar] >>>> >>>> Grrr! TlhIngan quv DatIchDI' Seng yIghuH! >>> >>>Paula, are you off your meds? >>> >>>> If anyone here is a lying petaQ ... well, let's just say that it is >>>> not I! >>>> >>>>> > Also, how common are third-party implementations of SortedMap, >>>>> > really? >>>>> >>>>> At the time the contract was written, there weren't any.  Having >>>>> written the contract, Java must not assume that continues to pertain. >>>>>  There could be thousands of such implementations by now. >>>> >>>> VeQ! There are probably only a handful, if that. >>> >>>This doesn't look like you're winning at all, for fuck's sake. >>> >>>(FNVW, is it possible to nominate Paul "Two Socks" Derbyshire for the >>>Goofy Azzed Babboon for this very old post?) >> >> Yes. > >Thank you, Mister Wrangler. > >> According to the award description Goofy Azzed Babboon is for >> kooks past and present. >> >> Goofy Azzed Babboon >> This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts. Of >> any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such >> achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by said >> Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of >> limitations here; one should >> >> * award net.kooks of the past as well as the present*. >> >> Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art. >> If the person's inability to >> use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not qualify. >> Kooky language must come from Kooky thought. > >And if kooky thoughts were dollars, Paula Derbyshite would be richer than >Bill Gates. > >In recognition of his linguistic butchering while using his "Captain Koloth" >sockpuppet, and there being no statute of limitations for the award, I hereby >nominate Paul G. "Two-Socks" Derbyshire for the official alt.usenet kook >Goofy Azzed Babboon Award. Seconds? Nomination accepted. -- July 2012 Nominations: http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/2012/07/july-2012-nominations.html http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/p/award-winners-1994-2012.html http://fnvw.databasix.com (awards descriptions and more)