Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Sosman Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Java Programming Best Practices Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:24:13 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8ceb5a54-8510-4864-98cd-38bc96e49866@googlegroups.com> <3c27c604-acc6-4481-a24e-0ff70caa3101@googlegroups.com> <6b0c5a0c-8848-4137-aadb-550b06fc25e4@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d3779b2c4a3397eb5709eec94bad057a"; logging-data="435"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18yZWo2vb9A7gxpe7NFzuiG" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:xzqK9RmU6w1OvlBW8Sy3j8i+9Nw= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16240 On 7/22/2012 6:43 PM, Robert Klemme wrote: > On 22.07.2012 23:25, Lew wrote: >> On 07/22/2012 01:43 PM, Philip Brown wrote: > >>> But even from a legal standpoint, religion is a protected >>> characteristic, so that site is clearly engaging in hate speech. >> >> Huh? Religion? >> >> And religion is a matter of choice, so one is perfectly free to speak >> against the practices of any relgion, including even atheism. > > I think you are arguing from very different legal systems here. If > anything, Philip you should mention the legal basis you are arguing > from. The US, for example and as far as I know, are strictly liberal > when it comes to freedom of speech. In the US you are allowed to say > things which are banned, for example, in Germany (for historic reasons). > > I don't think Roedy's statements qualify as hate speech (and I come from > Germany which has a more restrictive approach to freedom of speech). > Whether you think those claims are true or not, or even good to have > that on the site is a totally different question. Here's something I know about R.G.: He favors vigilantism and vandalism as a means of regulating the Internet. See the thread he started this past Valentine's Day titled "the Olson Timezone Database," in which he writes (apparently in haste, but he reaffirmed his position in follow-ups): "A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of business." -- Eric Sosman esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid