Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Sosman Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: teaching Java and formal grammars Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:27:50 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <2323c0cd-d843-460b-b39d-d14be0928eff@googlegroups.com> <5bvrv7l6m37aha6n3ri5giatrarpeb6boe@4ax.com> <80b9a66d-0b65-435b-adbb-3e61c83c6a54@googlegroups.com> <3NGdnSdxL7SpjZXNnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d3779b2c4a3397eb5709eec94bad057a"; logging-data="23945"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19iYpuUi7YHRiJy/eEM84OS" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:i9C3ak2PXuU4eTbs1UndeN5CALM= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16107 On 7/19/2012 10:07 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: > Patricia Shanahan writes: >> I am not sure hours of instruction are the important thing for >> programming language learning. How much time are the students able and >> willing to spend outside class? > > No time. The classes are visited by employees, pupils, and > students, who need or want to use the rest of their time > for their job/life, school, or university. When I tried to > give homework, it was never done. That's too bad. Programming is not just an abstract body of knowledge, a list of facts and theorems. Programming is also a craft requiring skills, skills that are acquired (and maintained) by practice. No practice -> no programmer. -- Eric Sosman esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid