Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Arrays in java Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:10:27 -0700 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <2323c0cd-d843-460b-b39d-d14be0928eff@googlegroups.com> <5bvrv7l6m37aha6n3ri5giatrarpeb6boe@4ax.com> <80b9a66d-0b65-435b-adbb-3e61c83c6a54@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net vM2yoBaTxMOA5Lmogov1oLHKtRNmGxuSXshmPz/VkBNttQSirNzj9IyzEG/0qbbBJ/SUq63TWI8oHeOkF/Q7RIMv4dVOsNcXyQ6QSfYYAubD/CR12VU2cOaGECmoQ+Zm NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="nL41MPv3G5ftCEwo0bGKSn3lwMJivduKqYJI4G+HSgP4jmk6i77U6GMYObRGtveOAXJL97nUOvQd5nGrkNvckCFr1egrDMaTaXMVzxH/Wcah2MXXlLrgbnJ+lcX5LP//"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:4YFApuemHwUguW5DGZfnZOGVgcY= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:16077 Patricia Shanahan wrote: > Lew wrote: > ... >> I started using the JLS very early in my Java career, and it has never given >> me cause to regret that choice. > > I feel the same way, but that is irrelevant because of my prior > experience. Was the start of your Java career also the very first time > you had ever attempted to write a computer program? > > Some colleges are using Java as the first language for their freshman > computer science students, and teaching it as one of the first courses. > That means there are teenagers trying to learn Java who have no idea > what a formal grammar is, or how it works. > >> I also assert that it isn't anywhere near as impossible as all the fear- >> mongers claim, except in some few parts. Regardless, I respect your >> conclusions, even the ones with which I disagree. >> >> Bottom line, I go with something like glen herrmannsfeldt's idea, that for >> each Java programmer there comes a time when it makes sense to use the JLS. >> The earlier one knows that the JLS option exists, the more power one has to >> exercise choice over gaining that next, minimum level of Java programming >> capability. >> > > I think the word "minimum" is where we disagree. I think one can become > a very competent Java programmer without having read the JLS. Fair enough. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg