Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!usenet.ukfsn.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Gregorie Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: How to develop without an IDE? Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 00:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: UK Free Software Network Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <17227321.23.1335224680979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvd8> <4f974f17$0$287$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <0g8gp71vfcf9pmstr366olur7ealditdpn@4ax.com> <4f9ca8b2$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f9f45c6$0$287$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4q60q7lep8joh4mqdu809bd73266tcha4j@4ax.com> <4fa06bb6$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4fa5ae6b$0$283$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.45.235.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1336262820 18520 84.45.235.129 (6 May 2012 00:07:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@localhost.localdomain NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 00:07:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:14313 On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:49:11 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 5/1/2012 10:21 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> Sometimes, it seems that the good is only a marketing department. >> I have used some tools that are so awkward, I have wondered how they >> ever got released. > > Do you consider "Java developer community" and "marketing department" > to be similar concepts? > There's a sort of connection, in that there are definitely two disjoint sets of tools out there. One set was written because the developer(s) needed them and as a result polished and tweezed them until they did the target job efficiently and were easy and elegant to use. Examples include Awk, the PostgreSQL SQL client, the Embarcadero DBA tools and the XFCE window manager The other set have rough edges and seem so awkward to use that you start to wonder if their author's have even tried to use them for the tasks they were meant to do. Examples of this group include RPG III, the IBM mainframe DB2 client, the ERWIN DBA tools and the Gnome 3 window manager. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |