Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: How to develop without an IDE? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:57:04 -0700 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <17227321.23.1335224680979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvd8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net sTQ/JE8WpK39yFWRN0rrksFN4CQqfudVekHXMewZOGvVV77Cm38ABv3HzHMwdCn9Xvpi8LQXxm8lvQbtlu3t5FtJsfyPabj6NoYipXH0QcAkAICVM84zK0vFpOgRtTsT NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="+MtiorflSsdDPRUsUKsUxidTw8592yZccAklQxdF0a5eO4o6vziHxZm2ajlMilo+VkiZ42hGdeZIK4OoeTUBwNpX7qUhg+HXhNMf1NMRdHafgbDUiwJtmuS4xKdlznf4"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:bcBQw56FxWCX/Y9CgHmPw5cYZoU= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:13893 On 04/24/2012 07:03 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: > Lew wrote: > >> Rui Maciel wrote: >>> I would prefer to develop >>> a skill which I already have than being forced to start from scratch by >>> being forced to use another tool. >> >> The sound of the career death knells tolling. > > You are assuming that everyone's career depends on how well they are able to No, I'm not. > manually set up an ant build script to build a Java project. That's a bad > assumption. I would bet that a significant number of people who write Java > code for a living never bothered to manually tweak an ant build script, let > alone took the time to learn that tool. My point went right over your head, apparently. I was referring to your unwillingness to learn tools and skills needed for new environments. Your resistance to learning is what is the death knell. That's a universal requirement for success as a programmer, not just in Java, and without the commitment to learn and grow, you'll wither and die, or worse, end up a manager because your programming skills, such as they are, will utterly cease to be relevant and you won't be able to adapt for lack of practice. Bongggg. Bongggg. I'll take your bet. How much? Every single Java shop where I've worked since 2000 or 2001 has used Ant, or later, Maven, or both to build Java applications. Every single Java programmer with whom I've worked in that time, and every one with whom I've associated in Java Users Groups, has been at least minimally conversant with Ant. And what do you deem "significant"? The worst 5% of Java programmers? The worst 10%? How much to be significant? In every profession there are the virtuosi and the, let's call them barely competent. Those in the Java world who refuse to learn the standards of that world doom themselves to the latter category, just as in any profession. Those who refuse to learn, or take the universal advice (has any of our experts advised you to ignore Ant and focus on make for Java?) are hurting themselves and all their clients. Do you really want to be that guy? -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg