Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rui Maciel Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: How to develop without an IDE? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:09:27 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: <4f94338d$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f94765c$0$284$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f949830$0$295$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <9vlns0Fv8cU1@mid.individual.net> <9vn03nF9fbU1@mid.individual.net> <9358467.971.1335299792975.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbbps5> Reply-To: rui.maciel@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: AqItoBXOUTdaiWbH4r55cA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.java.programmer:13884 Lew wrote: > Rui Maciel wrote: >> Robert Klemme wrote: >>> Rui Maciel wrote: >>>> Robert Klemme wrote: >>>>> Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: >>>>>> I found that using one good tool for everything is better than >>>>>> mixing things. >>>>> >>>>> Which, if followed religiously, will lead you into a situation where >>>>> it can get really awkward to do things with tool A which would be >>>>> extremely easy with tool B. >>>> >>>> This isn't necessarily a problem, particularly if a person is already >>>> familiar with tool A while being completely unaware that tool B even >>>> existed. >>> >>> Whoever claims he is Java developer AND unaware of ant cannot be a >>> professional. >> >> It was a hyperbole. > > And we were supposed to know that how...? > > I see no exaggeration in your comment at all. You already shown that you have a bit of a problem in basing your arguments and criticism on unfounded assumptions. In this case, you even choosed to ignore that the example I gave was between "tool A" and "tool B", not make and ant, which certainly no one else had any trouble understanding that it was purely figurative. >> And surely you are aware that a considerable number of people who spend a >> portion of their time writing Java code don't exactly make that their >> profession. > > Are you claiming that non-professionals should deliberately flout best > practices, simply because they don't make a living at it? I made no such claim. I would appreciate it if you stopped trying to pin on me these wild claims you are making up as you go along. > The main point here, which you're ducking, is that no one can be a Java > programmer, professional or otherwise, without having heard of Ant or > being more than superficially aware of it. Your statement about being > "unaware that tool B even existed" is utterly irrelevant to this issue. This is not nor it ever was the main point. Nor a side note, even. You knack for making wild assumptions led you to make this stuff up. If you have any doubt then simply point out exactly where anyone besides yourself ever mentioned anything remotely similar to that. >> > Also: sticking with a known strategy for too long instead >> > of knowing when to check other approaches is not a winning strategy. >> >> It isn't. But wasting time checking each and every alternative that some >> bloke on the internet said was the winning strategy is also not a winning >> strategy. > > This isn't a case of that, so why mention it? Frankly, that's what every single one of those blokes on the internet says. As a warning, I should inform you that this was also a hyperbole. > It would have to be better to justify its use, since Ant is the standard. By your reasoning, you should be using make as it is actually the standard in the real sense of the word. ISO standard and all. Instead, it appears you are hell-bent on criticising make. > As it happens, make is worse for Java projects than make, so that's a huge > strike against it. > > Unwillingness to learn the standard tool (which really only takes about an > hour or two to learn, BTW) is a pitiful and non-engineering reason to > avoid using Ant. Again with your unfounded assumptions and baseless accusations. Can you point out exactly where anyone stated that they refused to learn how to use ant or even maven? You can't, because no one, besides you with your wild imagination, ever said it. So, you either are a functional illiterate or a troll. Either way, you are not helpful. So, if you don't have anything helpful to add then go waste your time and your wild imagination elsewhere. Rui Maciel