Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Additional logging questions Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:57:21 -0800 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <4f4ae583$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <4f4c32ff$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net cqY19I/EXDuv68CYjTVyf6IPb8efMIspB2cfYaYjGCaZXgIrqBLG8KEViIwmaCIA5KMr7J0Ja7X82lLViHXKkHwkWngth2zG8CAdg3ItJErlEJ3tabHD/My6vvhmsdLu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="AQoYDyiRdGBRyISlW7Tbnvtu70qm/eicsqsYQTOu2LwCk7SPrtxb9LvzCPqmwOib4hW/NibWpLTl/iTOy5jhnh5QRMmv78KC8moJqCi6VqUqKYd9KbL5skWjAHdLenwU"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 In-Reply-To: <4f4c32ff$0$290$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Cancel-Lock: sha1:lAtA4lL0Tp9oxbbwL1AJCMHLdw8= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:12479 Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Novice wrote: >> But maybe modern operators do a lot more than that. You seem very >> familiar with what they do so this would be a great chance to get your >> insight on this. > > PC's as such does not have operator operators. > > But various Unix, Linux and Windows servers have. > > How much ops troubleshoot before calling in software > varies between companies. > > Some types of problems can be fixed by ops. > > But if the problem is really a software bug, then > ops can not do much. Sure they can, in partnership with a developer. Someone has to reconfigure logs to tighter levels (such as DEBUG), restart servers, instantiate test modes, make logs available to the developer, etc. As with what you said, this varies between companies. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg