Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lew Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.gui Subject: Re: What is Model View Presenter. (Was: Hairy generics question) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:08:23 -0800 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3c65271e-a388-49c9-bcc6-ca3bf274e74f@e27g2000vbu.googlegroups.com> <29108397.63.1330110725245.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbpw21> <7822487.176.1330121248108.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkl3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net Ptd62HFlZb+urm1SjRtxzklQjIQepbhBkP5VIfL/QndrGjRBu2MnUld3PVpbGArA8yn1OJJPjoiqnw5f1c8Xz6nEjyiEuXb/Gka1sAEfHoUd51ruDjvJR6zhGlafhP7J NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="f2FXj9aspnhqVPrE0/j5ROOocK/ea4Gwloc7jWni9Wah2/BilRiL96z8Q9fpEAQrFg9uYJ20y6rdF4bmULXDbbTD2p50xF/3XQ9jy+I2PtuxYq8EI//+uPCkMOZi6viE"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:gLuvLQY40YfHE5XnUArS+aADh74= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:12380 comp.lang.java.gui:5055 On 02/26/2012 10:22 AM, Daniel Pitts wrote: > On 2/26/12 9:13 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote: >> I'm laying this stuff out there simply to indicate that despite all the >> terminology, much of it redundant and confusing and artificial, that MVC >> and MVP are usefully different and real architectures, and that >> Presenter is definitely not Controller. > > I guess I had never heard of MVP, and just assumed the OP was recreating MVC > without clearly understanding the concept. This apparently was hubris on my > part, and I humbly apologize for that. > > I'm going to do a web search to learn more about MVP architecture later today, > but I want to know what it means to people in this group as well, X-Posting to > clj.gui, since it seems relevant. > > So, fellow Java engineers and Pragmatic Programmers, how would you compare and > contrast MVC vs MVP? Are there design/clarity benefits to one over the other? > That does "Presenter" mean to you? Only what I find on the Web: According to the fully authoritative and always-correct Wikipedia, it's a particular variant of MVC, much as the front-controller pattern is a particular variant of MVC. Apropos of which, someone somewhere around these newsgroups complained that MVC was bad for them because it centralized the controller. That's only the one flavor of MVC that does that - it's not an essential feature of MVC that there be only one controller. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg