Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: eric@invalid.com (EricF) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Agile Project Management Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:38:00 GMT Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <8b9e9575-e454-4d1b-80aa-f89a4a39b511@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <4f36f42a$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <92d0e832-6c70-4dc6-9c9f-71f588920d36@vv9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Injection-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="cZMk/CAL8a3Igaaifi1S6Q"; logging-data="11901"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Pzez8vDM26RO1cWnGJOho" X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Cancel-Lock: sha1:nHCt0uFSEAcalFN7nO6g5eUgloM= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:12009 In article <92d0e832-6c70-4dc6-9c9f-71f588920d36@vv9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, simplicity wrote: >On Feb 11, 4:05=A0pm, Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: >> On 2/10/2012 11:26 AM, simplicity wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 8, 11:51 pm, Iqra Educational Portal >> > =A0wrote: >> >> Agile software development is an iterative, incremental approach to >> >> developing and releasing software. A range of agile methodologies have >> >> emerged and they are based frequent releases, ongoing testing, >> >> customer and stakeholder participation throughout the development >> >> process, co-ownership of code and pair-programming. >> >> iQRA=92s Agile Exam will test your knowledge about Agile Development >> >> including XP, and SCRUM techniques in the light of Agile Manifesto >> >> >>http://iqra.org.pk/certification-startup.aspx?CertID=3D11&type=3D >> >> > Agile is garbage. Code before thinking. >> >> > All at the expense of quality but creates lots of "overhead" positions >> > for largely worthless project managers of all kinds. >> >> Most agile processes does not specify overhead positions >> and quite a few does not even include project managers. >> >> I think you have completely misunderstood agile. >> >> Arne > >Misunderstood? I am judging from my personal experience. I was part of >agile development in 3 environments: small organization (< 40 people) >which was trying to implement it, mid-size and large - by large I mean >> 800 employees. Each was a failure in one aspect or another. And in >each, the common themes were (1) a blotted overhead, (2) questionable >quality, (3) lack of architectural consistency and (4) reoccuring >breaks of the old and often obscure features. > >Interesting that when I raised these issues (with examples) during one >of the internal seminars on agile, the presented, some "big kahoona" >consultant on agile, quickly diverted into a different topic > I've worked at 5 or 6 places that say they did agile development. They touched on aspects of it, but aside from 1 exception, I would say they really were not very agile and their processes were a bit of a mess. Eric