Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!usenet.ukfsn.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Gregorie Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Agile Project Management Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: UK Free Software Network Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <8b9e9575-e454-4d1b-80aa-f89a4a39b511@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <4f36f42a$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.45.235.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 1329003984 23954 84.45.235.129 (11 Feb 2012 23:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@localhost.localdomain NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:46:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:11955 On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:05:11 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Most agile processes does not specify overhead positions and quite a few > does not even include project managers. > > I think you have completely misunderstood agile. > OTOH you may have misunderstood the ability of large and bureaucratic organisations to stuff up any project by putting it under the control of a semi-competent manager to buttresses his ignorance of the methodology and impresses his bosses by managing the crap out of it. I've seen this effect in action in government departments (HMCE as was circa 1990) and bastard offshoots of government (Cable & Wireless HQ in Hong Kong around the same time). The latter was incredible: internally it fit all the stereotypes of Whitewhall in the 1950s right down to the tea trolley, but I digress.... Question: How do modern Agile Development methodologies differ from their, presumably, ancestral Scrum and Sashimi approaches to development? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |