Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: markspace <-@.> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: General Consulting Advice Urgently Needed Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:09:40 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="XjIWM99mD7Ijfdu600oVPA"; logging-data="3811"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+miqerfS8WybMrmTQcbUFtnl63mSA3PBs=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:18iGcaF5oz6S9MNHMs1yjVEbP/Q= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:10302 On 11/28/2011 9:04 AM, Novice wrote: > Jeff Higgins wrote in > news:jb0d7h$4h1$1@dont-email.me: > >> http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Certification=Sun_Certified_Java_Pr >> ogrammer_%28SCJP%29/Hourly_Rate > > > > Thank you! That's a great resource for determining what I should charge. > My feeling on those rates: they're for full-time permanent employees, not contractors. I.e., they include benefits. I'd at least double those rates for an independent contractor. I think not charging customers for your education is fine, but only if they are paying you full rate. If they force you down too much because you aren't experienced, then they do pay for everything, because they're paying for a novice engineer. As for selling yourself, I do this rather carefully. You don't have to describe yourself as a "hobbyist" but do describe yourself as a beginner. DO NOT sign a contract that describes you otherwise. (If you're not used to signing contracts, get advice on how to do so.) Describe your actual experience in web design, including working with people on a team, meeting deadlines, being professional, commitment, etc. Sell the experience you actually do have. Let the customer decide whether you are qualified. I don't like fixed-price contracts. Estimating software is hard, and as a novice you've got no basis to work from. I'd seriously push time estimates on the customer; make sure the contract you sign is for an hourly rate. At your level of experience you can only meet with disaster if you try to provide a fixed time and cost contract.