Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: markspace <-@.> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Synchronization of the constructor Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:28:52 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1b39f46d-0268-413a-9383-3a4a2c73920d@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="XjIWM99mD7Ijfdu600oVPA"; logging-data="7729"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19UWR1qLs4FHxypjB5pJgBzROL6pCwe27Y=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 In-Reply-To: <1b39f46d-0268-413a-9383-3a4a2c73920d@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ed7oKWIzt/tSKFNUZzI0Ttdg3pk= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:7110 On 8/14/2011 9:10 AM, Lew wrote: > See JLS §17.5: "...It will also see versions of > any object or array referenced by those final fields that are at > least as up-to-date as the final fields are." > This is a little misleading, I think. In fact the update does not occur when the final field is written ("at least as up-to-date as the final fields are"). The update occurs at the end of the constructor. JLS 17.5.1: "The semantics for final fields are as follows. Let o be an object, and c be a constructor for o in which f is written. A freeze action on a final field f of o takes place when c exits, either normally or abruptly." The "freeze action" is a little unclear. It's not technically a synchronization, because immutable objects are specifically stated to not use synchronization. It is a happens-before though (even though that language isn't used), and it appears to imply a memory-barrier. I'm not sure exactly why they use "freeze action" and not happens-before. There might be some subtle difference for compiler writers, than doesn't affect the rest of us.