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On 5/31/2011 10:04 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 11:15 PM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>> Do you have an insight why Java JRE is not shipped with
>> the browser itself?
>
> License issues is the biggest one. There is also the fact that it
> defeats the purpose of the plugin architecture: it's not like Firefox
> bundles Flash, the other You Need This plugin.
>
> Actually, as an aside, Firefox used to have a deep integration via OJI,
> and until Firefox 3 or so, it was theoretically possible to write your
> extension in Java (JavaXPCOM has since been broken, I think). Nowadays,
> Mozilla-Java integration is mostly limited to the standard NPAPI (i.e.,
> plugin) architecture capabilities.
>
>> The browser size will be a little larger, but so what? internet
>> speed is fast these days, who cares if it is 18 MB larger now.
>
> Judging from wget, the size of Firefox right now is 12 MB. While
> download size is not a huge priority, a 150% regression is definitely
> not going to be accepted. And keep in mind that not everyone has access
> to high-speed internet; e.g., Africa.
>

and, even in the US, some of us in non-urban areas (IOW, where the 
county doesn't bother to pave any of the roads) have poor-quality DSL, 
where an added 18MB could add maybe an extra hour or more to the 
download time...