Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BGB Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcm9pZOKAlFdoeSBEYWx2aWs/?= Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 19:49:11 -0700 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.albasani.net kTdMbTcptlKv679KgSRMAqn5w9RXiikXGiHFr2fJGgq/KzCo1F5MUtRaw5Y2JvuddsBLhw0Z5GXuz85faYj+c87kR8e45tcZXwuEqfQjFKqtb2WOCVlp59zI/gsrZage NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 02:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="ojLBMayQcd2FRLWZ+TjDToZDcjBpIifB0X/pqM9h5wJwMs78LcT7XSz+BkA2IsE6BsL8NyFemRzLATdWnMIHF3zkJxyfTwF+ugpJCqWFrWyENmxXH+s8Bq9yfKZHCQ9e"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:YB89Ozgd5T9R0+NvlvHkVkhyUVo= Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:4708 On 5/29/2011 5:45 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message, BGB wrote: > >> ... there is always J2ME ... > > Which is unsuited to modern ultramobile devices, as pointed out earlier. > well, it can be used as a starting point, as generally people implement the core VM and libraries, and anything after this is presumably whatever they want to put in there... so, it is basically like J2SE but without the requirement to implement piles of classes which may / may not be applicable to the target. but, if one just uses J2ME by itself, or is trying to write portable apps targeting it, it is not so nice, as it doesn't ensure all the usual standard features... much like if one were trying to target a system which only had the C89 standard library and maybe a few OS-specific libraries and nothing else... >> potential developer: "but what about AWT and Swing and these other APIs >> I might want to use?" >> response: "well, for these things you use our vastly improved >> foo.gui.manager (it has Pointy/Clicky TM) and other custom APIs...". >> >> at this point it would likely start to look a bit like someone trying >> simply to use the Java trademark as a selling point. > > Which Google has been careful to avoid. yep, probably fair enough...