Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.dougwise.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!198.186.194.247.MISMATCH!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news6 From: Michael Wojcik Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: char to decimal Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 09:47:31 -0400 Organization: Micro Focus Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <92ea64F3avU1@mid.individual.net> <92ft5pFjeiU1@mid.individual.net> <92hu9kFh10U2@mid.individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3d65e624fe347dbb4b75964f5a1ca90bf6c72731f9ab595f.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090812 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:3682 Andreas Leitgeb wrote: > Lew wrote: >> On 05/06/2011 05:45 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >>> English alphabet only >> The English alphabet includes 'æ', 'ë', 'ö', 'œ' and other >> such symbols not included in ASCII. > > I wasn't aware of any particular "English alphabet". There's > however the Latin alphabet, and a subset of it used in > English language. Now, I'm curious about an English sentence > using your particular samples of characters within words. The ligatures and o-umlaut are relatively common in English typography, particularly in books published before, say, 1950. Joshua Cranmer already mentioned "coöperation" which (along with its lemmas) is a prominent case of the latter. I don't recall offhand seeing e-umlaut used in English sentences for words that are not loan-words from other languages (though the distinction between a loan-word and a "native" one in English is rather vague anyway). But there may well be cases I'm not thinking of. Whether those are part of "the English alphabet" is a question of definition, since there is no generally-recognized authority to provide a standard alphabet for English. At one time, "&" was part of the alphabet, as taught in many English-speaking schools. The term "ampersand" is a portmanteau of "and per se and", as the symbol was then called "per se and" and it came at the end of the alphabet (so recitation ended with "and per se and"). The letter "j" wasn't well-established in the English alphabet until sometime in the 17th century. And so on. -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University