Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!17g2000prr.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: horos22 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: tools for programming applets Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <028d2009-98b7-43a3-b02d-83eaa89db79e@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.169.95.196 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1306164720 21637 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2011 15:32:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 15:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 17g2000prr.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.169.95.196; posting-account=_qjMegoAAAAmC6fHnKsftlw5c47TS2H5 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1,gzip(gfe) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:4459 Look guys, I see that I caused a bit of a firestorm - which was not my intent - and I see that people are attributing motives to me that are completely baseless. (no - I'm not up to anything 'nefarious', no I'm not trying to hack the pentagon.) The site in question is not a large-scale, fully-funded site. It doesn't - and I don't - have the financial means to fully duplicate the environment just for the sake of doing testing and development. Frankly, it's a not-for-profit and the work is also not-for-profit. Furthermore, *no* I'm not talking about changing a production system 'in place' - in fact I'm making my best possible effort *not* to change the production system. By keeping things local - in just changes to the client (the applet), and not writing back any data to the production system - I'm guaranteeing that I'm keeping the production system intact. In fact I'm doing better than that. If I can run tests against *real* production data, I can make a better guarantee that the applet would work better than just by regression tests alone. Sheesh. I swear that developers (myself included) have been in this industry SO LONG that they take for granted the bulky, resource intensive, extra-life-support-systems-required effort that programming has become. Here's a clue - not everything developed has a requirement of thousands of transactions per second, page views in the millions, and teams of hundreds. And not every effort is capitalized in the millions (or even thousands) of dollars. So think small in answering this question, will you? It looks like - from your responses - that I'll have to cobble something up on my client to do the work. Or have the site administrator put a special directive for my IP in the server to handle my testing, such that the data comes from the server, but the applet comes from localhost. And stop with the nefarious purposes line of thought.. ok? It isn't conducive to reasoned conversation, and frankly it makes otherwise intelligent people sound like conspiracy nuts. Ed