Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.news-service.com!postnews.google.com!p12g2000pre.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: lewbloch Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer Subject: Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <015aeb15-57db-48ab-9cd4-77f8448b632f@w24g2000yqw.googlegroups.com> <2rydnez7l-H5BYnTnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.89.33.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1310839087 19768 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2011 17:58:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p12g2000pre.googlegroups.com; posting-host=108.89.33.208; posting-account=CP-lKQoAAAAGtB5diOuGlDQk0jIwmH0T User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-Header-Order: ASELCHRU X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/13.0.782.56 Safari/535.1,gzip(gfe) Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.java.programmer:6231 John B. Matthews wrote: > "MikeP" wrote: >> Patricia Shanahan wrote: > [...] >>> No, I was not really joking, though I did not attempt to find all >>> the languages that would meet the stated requirement. > >> Don't look now, but if you weren't joking, then you recommended Ada >> to a Java programmer! Oh my. > Oh, your what? What are you acting so shocked about? Give us logic, evidence, reasoning, not just superficial rhetorical devices. What in bloody blazes is so strange about recommending Ada to a Java programmer, hm? Nothing! Let's be an engineer, "MikeP", hm-k? > I often suggest Ada to Java programmers; knowledgeable Java programmers > often return the favor; I've learned a lot that way. > >>> I'm very strongly of the opinion different languages should provide >>> different features, making different trade-offs, and programmers >>> should pick the language for a job based on its requirements and >>> those features. > >> You have to admit, it's quite a chasm between Java/C# and Ada. > Be specific. No one has to admit that. As the person making the claim, the burden of proof is on you, "MikeP". Demonstrate your point, please. Define "chasm", how to measure it, and what makes the difference "quite" a chasm. > I find points of comparison very illuminating. Perhaps "chasm" is a > matter of perspective. > Perhaps "quite a chasm" is a matter of someone wanting to sound impressive who has no facts or reasoning behind their argument, so they make little unsupportable foolish comments full of "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" instead. >>> The alternative a lot of programmers follow seems to be to pick one >>> language, > Not the good ones, nor the ones who wish to stay employed. >> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison). > > See also: "The science of fanboyism." > Article: > Discussion: > C'mon, "MikeP", this is a programmers' group. Give us more than tabloid gossip-column rhetoric, please. -- Lew